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She took the car to find out why it wouldnt pass smog. According to her car was running ok, and started normally that morning. But when she returned car wont even turn over. Additionally, the tech was rude and demanded car be removed from the shop. "A piece of junk" is what he reportedly called it.
I just need some idea of what to tell her. Where to begin to look for the problem.
If the battery and starter are good where else would we look to find origins of no crank condition. She reports that nothing happens when key is turned.
Does this car have a starter relay? Does it need activation by computer?
could the problem be the immobilization system.
I maintained my 240 and 740 for over 20 years at this site, but I no longer own them. But as you know , those cars were a bit different than the S70.
I just need a little push in the right direction. A wiring diagram would be a good start. But I just need to know where to look.
Any help would be much appreciated.
Larue
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I just read all of the threads. I don't envy you or your friend. If the dash lights come one when turning the key to pos II, and you can slightly hear the fuel pump priming, but nothing happens when moving the key to pos III: either the battery is less than 10V, the starter cable is loose, or the ignition switch broke.
I wonder what the mechanic did.
Tell your friend to have it towed to another garage.
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My back feels better when I sit in a Volvo seat
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Over 33 years of driving and car ownership, I have noted a near-perfect correlation between mechanics with a snotty attitude and specific incompetence and/or error on their part.
The car drove in fine, but did not drive out. I would recommend that the tech be told to change his attitude, or small claims filing and BBB reports will follow!
If the attitude persists, have it towed to a reputable Volvo indy and carefully document the repairs in case your friend needs to go the legal route.
I have had similar symptoms with a very similar car. The cause in my case was that the pigtail between the starter and the solenoid broke. Not sure if it is the solenoid clicking that she heard (which would imply something different causing her problem), but it is still worth checking. Load test the battery and check the cables-- on that vintage of S/V70 high resistance cable problems are endemic...
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Off topic, but you reminded me of an incident that I caused when I was about 15 years old, in 1976. The family was at Chatham, MA on the cape, packing up the '72 Caddy to leave after a week's vacation. I went out unannounced, to back the Caddy up to the boat trailer, whose hitch handle was straight up. Rear wheels slipped off the elevated paved driveway just as I was applying the brake, and hitch handle went straight through the gas tank.
Anyway, after we waited a day in a hot rented apartment for a tank to be shipped, my dad observed the mechanic installing the new tank. We headed out on Route 6, and got about 10 miles before the car died. Towed back to the mechanic. After 2 hours of putzing around, my dad said "Do you think you could have reversed the suction and return lines to the fuel tank? We made it 10 miles - maybe that is when the level dropped below the return line."
The mechanic became very irritated, and pointed to a sign that said "Hourly rates: $45. If you help, $75" My dad looked glum, and left the service bay. An hour later, the mechanic announces that my dad was right.
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This story smacks of a tech who made an error. Why should a repair man who did not cause the problem get rude? Unless she was rude first - only she knows that.
If the car was moved from where she left it, the first thing she should do is to call the police.
Then, the tech might have better manners.
After documenting what the police can attest to, have the car towed to a dealer and have them document the repair.
I would look for evidence of a jump start on the battery terminals.
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I used: www.startpage.com
entered: "1999 Volvo s70 wiring diagram"
The first paid result DIY.XXX wanted $55.00 for a manual....Nope
a few lines down is paydirt
TP3941202 1999 C70 S70 V70 Wiring Diagrams.pdf - Volvo Wiring ...
www.volvowiringdiagrams.com/
You'll find the PDF version of your old Greenbook.
Bill
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The wiring diagrams are awesome. Who's the angel responsible for that. Everywhere else you go for wiring diagrams they want mulah. Great stuff. Thanks.
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From your story, it looks like your friend went to the "Garage from Hell".
If the key does nothing and a jump start doesn't work, it's usually possible
to find the starter service socket under the hood or just short the starter lugs
with a big screwdriver. That would bypass the ignition and interlock switches.
(Confirm that her model year has the starter socket, I can't say for sure)
What's with the attitude of the service guy? Can your friend get confrontational?
Tell your friend to find another mechanic, a little time asking around might be a good idea. What city is she in? Maybe there's some suggestions from the people here?
Bill
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She reports a new battery and starter approx 1 year ago. Lights remain bright while attempting to start, she says. But she also reports hearing "click". Im assuming its the starter solenoid(?), which means to me the engine should turn, if battery, starter and wiring is all good. If it is, indeed, the starter solenoid that's heard.
The techs attitude? I wasn't there, so... My focus is the car. For me, best to let those dogs sleep.
Last time I spoke with her she was attempting to get someone to go through and check the basics on the start system.
Meanwhile Im trying to track down a reliable wiring diagram, as well as production information to insure I'm looking at things correctly.
I feel like rip van winkle, Ive got 240 stuff(including the green book wiring!). Been living that dream for over 20 years, to suddenly awake thrashing about in deep water.
Thank you for the response.
Larue
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Since the starter has been replaced, have someone make sure the starter cable to the solenoid is on tight. I had the starter replaced on my car and shortly thereafter the car wouldn't start. After calling the mechanic, he said check the cable tightness. It was loose. I fiddled with it and got it started. Reattached cable securely and that was the end of that story...
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Questions:
Is the battery dead ?
Will the starter turn if the battery is jumped ?
When you turn the key is there power to the starter solenoid ?
Are the battery cables tight on both ends ?
It is usually the simple stuff.
Greg
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Thanks for the reply. You're right about the little things. Unfortunately Im 100miles away from the car.
I was just wondering was there something else about the car that would make it quit suddenly and not start, ie blown relay, failed computer or some such.
Ive never owned an s70.
I think Ive convinced my friend to enlist some help and thoroughly check the basics.
Larue
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these situations, to me, are always difficult. I'd ask, what did the shop do? Anything at all? Are there any codes that would provide a clue?
Mike
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