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Mitsubishi turbos? S80

Which turbos are on the T6? Mitsubishi? Td04hl like on the T5 or smaller ones?
Anyone have CFM counts for them? ball bearing or not?
How much boost do the turbos run stock? Max boost that they can hold?

Any info on these turbos is appreciated.








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    Mitsubishi turbos? S80

    They are Mitsu turbos and much smaller than the single unit found in T5s.

    Yannis
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    2001 V70 T-5M SR, Classic Red/Graphite Lthr., ipd ME7 ECU Upgrade, K&N Air Filter, Cold Weather, Dolby Surr. Sound, Rear Spoiler, 17" 'Tethys' alloys








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      Mitsubishi turbos? S80

      Doesn't sound too good about those bushings! Does the T5 have bearings? How about the LT engine? I'm thinking about an S60.








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        Mitsubishi turbos? S80

        Actually, bushings are more reliable, and that's why the jet engines in F16's, FA18's, F22's etc all use bushings, called slipper bearings, and the shaft and bushings in your turbo are operationally and metallurgically identical. The only part to lubricate is the shaft at the bushing points. Each bushing has journals through which the oil is force-pumped onto the shaft, which spins in a thin film of pressurized oil. In addition, the internal cavity is under a high-pressure oil shower. Bearings, on the other hand, have to ride in milled-out 'races'....too many pockets for oil to pool, coagulate and eventually coke. The fact that the ball bearings may be ceramic is meaningless if the oil coagulates in the races. Though it combines the advantages of the LPT (faster spooling) and the HPT (higher top end speed) this kind of turbo is primarily for competition and has to be torn out and rebuilt frequently, unless there is a sophisticated after-run cooling system installed. But even then, they don't last anywhere near as long as the Mitsubishi turbos in our Volvos. For long, dependable turbo life, you want what the FA18s have: bushings.

        The number one cause of turbo failure is NOT the bushings...it's sclerosis of the oil return outlet (drain) at the bottom of the turbo. If oil isn't changed frequently enough, and it's composition isn't such that it can withstand the heat, coked oil begins to form on the lip of the tube. Eventually, this will choke off the drain entirely, reducing flow to the shaft bushings. The back oil seal then blows out, resulting in tailpipe smoke when the turbo spools up...but even then, the bushings will likely be OK.

        Many of us prefer synthetic oil because it is far more tolerant of extreme heat. It will flow happily at temperatures that cause lesser oils to break down and varnish hot surfaces. Under extended load and at full spool, your turbo can reach temperatures as high as 1400 degrees F. That's hot enough to break down oil, but not hot enough to melt iron....and far, far too low to affect the shaft and bushings.
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          Mitsubishi turbos? S80

          That isn't exactly right. I am a design engineer for one of the US jet engine manufactures and all of our engines, includes the ones for the F14 & F16, use "rolling element" bearings (ie ball & rollers). Rolling element bearings are used for 3 reasons, the have very low oil volume requirements (compared to sleeve bearings), they are very compact relative to sleeve bearings for the same load capacity and in emergency conditions they will operate without oil for 10-20 minutes which many times in the past has made the difference between landing and crashing. Because of the low oil flow requirements of rolling element bearings, the oil used in jet engines can very hot, roughly +300 deg F during normal operation and so synthetic is universally used to prevent coaking in the bearing sumps.

          Sleeve type bearings (or so called "plain bearings" like the ones on your crankshaft) are found in large gas turbines used for electrical power generation, these engines are typicaly 100,000-400,000 HP. These bearings require large oil flow rates and because of this the oil doesn't reside in the engine long enough to get hot so they can use inexpensive mineral based oils.

          The bottom line is turbocharges have evolved to the point where their bearing sumps are water cooled and the oil flow is high enough to allow reliable use of sleeve bearings with mineral based oils.








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          Mitsubishi turbos? S80

          Thank you for the response, David! I had never given much thought to the whole subject, and know a whole lot more, now. I'm sure others benefitted from your knowledge.

          Lee







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