posted by
someone claiming to be new owner of 93 850 GLT
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Mon Oct 14 01:21 CST 2002 [ RELATED]
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I was watching motorweek on Saturday and they said the SC60R was due out and volvo claims 0-60 in under 5 seconds. Anybody else hear this? Is the S80 available in an R?
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I would think the under-5 time would be for a 2WD edition. I can't see 300hp/295 ft lb carrying that much mass to 60 in less than 5. The twin-turbo Audi S4 quattro is 4.8 seconds...and it is at least 1/4 ton lighter, and has one more turbo than the 60. In fact, any production car on the road today with under-5 speed is either smaller/lighter than the S60's (M3, S4, SLK) or has far higher displacement ('vette, say). And none are as safe.
In any event, I don't think final specs are done yet as the current prototypes are probably put together with a lot of duct tape. I expect (and this is only a guess) the final edition will clock in the mid 5-second range. In all-wheel drive, and with Volvo's safety-conscious bulk, this would be a great achievement.
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David \\ (98 S70 T5SE Black, misc mods (mostly lighting), red calipers) (92 940GLE)
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Swedespeed (of course!) reports current rating for S60R with manual gearbox is 5.7 seconds 0-100km/h (0-62mph)....just as I thought. The V70R is a surprising 5.9.
Now if they can get these things to turn better than aircraft carriers, well that would be good. [The original S80T6 had to be toned down because it's speed and acceleration exceeded the car's turning abilty. You know, if I were the brand manager at Volvo, I would have made the S80 a RWD car (really, why is this car FWD?). And right about now, I'd be bringing out a fast, sporty, rear-drive Z20. My 60R-class would include a C60R edition, a little lighter and faster than the S. I'd also fix the bizarre rear deck of this car...but Volvo's already working on that.]
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David \\ (98 S70 T5SE Black, misc mods (mostly lighting), red calipers) (92 940GLE)
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posted by
someone claiming to be kevin
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Mon Oct 14 14:42 CST 2002 [ RELATED]
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Volvo now claims 5.4 seconds for 0 to 60 mph, go check it out. And autoweek claims that Volvo called this estimate "conservative" and high 4 second passes to 60 were hinted. To my knowledge the American Audi S4 ran 5.5 seconds to 60. If this 5.4 second claim from Volvo is anything like their other claims it could be too slow. Ex. Volvo claimed the S80 T6 was 7.0, R&T 6.6, C&D 6.3 for the SE executive edition. S70 T-5 manual 6.9 from Volvo, 6.1 from R&T, etc, etc. So it is possible this thing could run low 5's/high 4's which would put it in the same category as the M's and faster than the new S4 (5.6). We will have to wait and see.
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Thanks for your reply, and the 5.4 sec. update. That would be impressive enough.
In the final analysis, I think the S60 will certainly be capable of (and modifiable to) sub-5 seconds, but I doubt they'll do that with the stock version. A lot will depend on the suspension, of course, as they'll need to balance acceleration and braking with another important consideration - holding on in the turns. And they have their 'safety' niche to think about. Compared to the smaller M3 and S4, the Volvo is a more substantial automobile, almost massive. On the other hand, the M5 is also sub-5. Hmmmm.
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David \\ (98 S70 T5SE Black, misc mods (mostly lighting), red calipers) (92 940GLE)
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posted by
someone claiming to be Punxsutawney Phil
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Mon Oct 14 03:08 CST 2002 [ RELATED]
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If the horses are real and not ponies and the connecting rods are less elastic than the current ones... (and I've posted here about the current BMW M3's unfortunate tendency to grenade it's motor) Well, sure, somewhere around 5 seconds isn't unrealistic. A stock S70 T5 manual will do it in 6.1 and that's with "only" 236hp. Sub 5-seconds? ... let's see!
From Edmunds:
Volvo has officially announced its intention of entering the high-performance luxury sport sedan market with the new S60R. Although Volvo is hardly the name that pops in most enthusiasts heads when they think of seriously fast sedans, the S60R stands a good chance of changing that perception. Under the hood will rest a 2.5-liter turbocharged five-cylinder producing 300 hp and 295 lb-ft of torque at a low 2,100 rpm. A choice of either a six-speed manual or five-speed automatic will send the power to the pavement, while an electronically controlled Haldex all-wheel-drive system should ensure tenacious grip in the corners. The S60R will introduce a unique adaptive ride control system Volvo refers to as "Four C Technology." The Continuously Controlled Chassis Concept uses multiple sensors to detect road variations and adjust shock damping accordingly. The system will also give drivers the option of three ride control settings: Comfort, Sport and Advanced Sport. Further enhancing the S60R's performance cache will be four-piston Brembo brakes, Servotronic steering and a standard Dynamic Stability Control System (DSTC). Production is slated to begin early next year in Volvo's factory in Ghent, Belgium.
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posted by
someone claiming to be new owner of 93 850 GLT
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Mon Oct 14 04:10 CST 2002 [ RELATED]
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I have a regular old 850 that I like and plan to use for traveling (business) but want to get a fast car for when I'm home. It will have to be an automatic as I do too many things to use a manual. Now If the S70 T5 is 0-60 in 6.1manual (add a little for auto) what can it do with a chip, filter, maybe some polished stuff, and a little love? Is there anywhere that people have specs on the cars?
Was a S70 R ever made or is that the T5? An R has beefed up internals right?
Interior room, my impression is the S70 is still larger inside than the 60 and 80. What are you opinions?
I must get caught up on my volvo history! I like the idea of being called a family mobile and then when they catch up at the next light tell them my family is on the go!
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posted by
someone claiming to be billy d
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Thu Oct 31 15:25 CST 2002 [ RELATED]
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New 850 owner- I would suggest you acquire a V70 T5 or "R"(or in the alternative a 1997 850R-sedan or wagon). Either one of these will satify you quest for power and space! Try to get a '99 or '00. these cars are basically the 850 in new sheet-metal. I like to think it's the last real volvos. the '01 and better S/V cars are built on a new platform and I guess the verdict on their reliability is still out(but should be favorable). enjoy, BD
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posted by
someone claiming to be Punxsutawney Phil
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Mon Oct 14 05:15 CST 2002 [ RELATED]
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A few years ago one of the car mags tested an iPd S70 and/or C70 and I think they reported 0-60 times below 6 seconds, and I think 163mph top. It was definitely a 5-speed. Thr turbo motor is pretty "beefed up" to begin with, I think the "R" mods are mostly engine management software, interior appointments, exterior styling, a beefed-up suspension and 17" wheels. I've never heard of an S70R from the factory, but the "R" emblems aren't that expensive.
I HAVE seen a BMW "328iM3", at least that's what the trunklid said!
-Punxsutawney Phil
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posted by
someone claiming to be Ray N
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Mon Oct 14 05:29 CST 2002 [ RELATED]
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An S70R was marketed and built for Europe. This is the one that
has the viscous coupled tranny, lowered a bit with bigger tires,
160MPH speedo, stiffer suspension and a slick looking front air dam.
I had an English car magazine that called it "sublime" (they did
not care for the S70 T5, though). I think the engine output was the
same as the S70 T5 that we get. Some early marketing material for
Volvo (the magazine they send out) used photos of the S70R for an
article about the S70s (this was back in 97, I remember cause I
wanted one).
I suspect sub 6 second runs are hard on any FWD car and AWD is going
to help the S60R in this area.
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Turn on Speedvision and watch what happens to the S4 quattros when a power transfer from one axle or wheel to another takes place. If it happens in a turn, the S4's go spinning off the track. They've tried everything from adding and subtracting various permutations of weight and horsepower. Yet the top finishers are the usual RWD suspects in every category (M3, Porsche, Corvette).
Each platform has it's own advantages, of course. The AWD is great from standing starts, and coming off turns where it's ability to deliver traction to the pavement works in its favor. The RWD is best at lateral G's, which gives it great capability in the turns. And FWD is, well, uh....very convenient for the manufacturer!
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David \\ (98 S70 T5SE Black, misc mods (mostly lighting), red calipers) (92 940GLE)
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Actually, FWD isn't necessarily convenient for the manufacturer. It is cheaper than RWD cars for low priced high volume cars but that is not the case with Volvo. In Volvo's case they've spent millions in designing suspension geometries (which can still use some tweaking), transmissions, etc. due to their FWD (and transversly mounted engines) setup. From all I've read and been told Volvo did it for safety reasons and because FWD delivers better cold weather traction.
Volvo has never been, nor pretends to be, a company that manufacturers sports cars (and I would argue that no sedans qualify as sports cars but that's another topic - and yes the M5 has nice specs but it's too heavy to be tossed like a true sports car). While some of us would appreciate the benefits of RWD over FWD I think for most of us high-powered AWD is a good compromise (otherwise we probably should be looking at real sports cars). Just my opinion...
Thanks.
-rollie
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>> and yes the M5 has nice specs but it's too heavy to be tossed like a true sports car). <<
Surely youve got to be kidding! Have you ever looked at its skidpad or slalom ratings? It runs slaloms every bit as fast as the M3, which practically leads the pack of all production cars. Sure, its heavy, but its built to be the heaviest sports car that ever was, and its numbers prove its lived up to its promise.
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Yup, I've read all the numbers, driven the beast, and almost bought one. It's a phenomenal machine. It's as fast or faster than most production sports cars, has good handling, and a decent suspension but it's not a pure sports car. As a sedan it's about as good as it gets but for me it's not a sports car. I'm happy to call it the ultimate 'sports sedan' with the understanding that no sedan is a sports car. Again, this is just my standard for a sports car - for many people this particular car would be the epitome of a sports car.
I didn't buy one because I needed the room of a sedan for a young family. Now between the market and the problems with BMW's high compression M class engines (the M5 was bleeding oil badly for the first 18 months or so that I was following it and the new M3s are reportedly shredding connecting rods and fragging their engines under heavy load) I don't think an M5 is on my list (but I must say that even with it's small size, if they could shove the 4.4 litre V8 in the 3 series I'd have to take a serious look at it).
I've been foaming at the mouth for an S60R for the past 2 years as well and now that the specs are out and I've seen some of the upcoming Audi (450 hp RS6), BMW, and Lexus specs (I can't believe their stuffing the IS300 with the 4.3 V8) the anticipation has died down for me. I'm not sure what I'll end up with (maybe I should just chip the T6 and add some significant suspension mods?)
Thanks.
-rollie
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