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Did everyone see the WSJ on Wednesday,July 9 regarding the J.D. Powers used car reliablity report for three year old cars. Volvo is now 17 places below Saab. Whats happening here. I thought about buying a 2000 S70 but I'm not too sure now. I like to keep my cars 10 years plus and my 1994 850 is beginning to wear m3 out with repairs. S80 is on Consumer Reports do not buy list because of major repair bills. Whats happening to Volvo and what does the company have to say for itself. Are the Sweds getting fat and lazy? Or is the Ford mentality creeping in. Should I bail and buy a Lexus or Infinite. At least the Japanese know how to do air conditioning now.
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I you think you have a few problems because you have a cracked strut mount here or a body rattle there you are going to feel pretty darn good when this current crop of new cars with tons of electronic crap get a few miles on them. Think of all the heads up displays, data screens, and rear view cameras that are going to go kaput in the next few years. Its ridiculous to think that all this sophisticated electronic equipment should function properly after being bounced around on the road and subjected to dust, dirt, and hard use for years. Auto manufactuers are doing the consumer a huge disservice by motorizing or controlling everything electronically. Really have we become so lazy that we can't manually put up the third seat in our oversized SUV?(Motorized third seat in the Lincoln Navigator) Just because designers can hang gagetry on automobiles doesn't mean they should.
There is a balance between convienience and too much complexity and automation in a car. To me a great car would have the simple things that are important to a user and no more. Most everyone wants a decent sound system in their car and there is nothing wrong with having a durable, proven CD player. But if you have 12 speakers controlled by 4 different amplifiers controlled by a voice activated control unit you are asking for trouble 50,000 miles down the road.
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posted by
someone claiming to be Ronjon
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Fri Jul 11 05:09 CST 2003 [ RELATED]
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Software company: New version of software every year and soon user has to upgrade.
College books: Publish new test books whenever they can and instructors want you to buy the new edition.
Medicine: Test new item on animals. If good result then try it on us. If it works then make money off of that and cover 100 other development that did not do much good to animals or human.
However, there are definitely more good sides to this. Otherwise we all will be living in jungles.
Ronjon
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posted by
someone claiming to be claude
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Thu Jul 10 12:38 CST 2003 [ RELATED]
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265,000 miles on my 1994 850 base 5 spd. which I purchased new.
Most trouble free car I have ever owned.
still on original exhaust! replaced the following:
clutch due to bad rear main seal 260 k miles
front calipers 200k+
struts 190k
front wheel bearings 220k
starter 220k
water pump (preemptively-turned out to be still good) at 220k
ABS light is on much of the time, starting to get a few rust spots on rear tailgate, but the car has never been garaged. 10 Northern New England winters!
Other than the pervasive smell of old neoprene from my kayak gear, the car is good as new!
Sorry to hear of everyone's troubles. They are not all bad cars.
Claude
1994 855M 265,000 miles and going strong
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I read the report and it just confirms the experience my friends have had with any Volvo they purchased from 98 on. One 98V70 GLT, one V40 one S80 and a 98 XC. All of them will never buy another Volvo product. My experience has been different. I have had nothing but good experiences with with my 91 745 and 97 855 GLT. I plan to run both as long as feasable. But if I needed a new car today I would not go to the Volvo dealership.
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Yes, bail out as soon as you possibly can. I bought my car under a new certification program in 1998 from Point West Volvo in Irving Texas. They gave me a 12,000 mile, one year warranty. The car was supposed to be checked top to bottom and then reconditioned to new specs. However it had a burnt out light bulb on the passenger side visor, needed a thermostat, the washers did not spray onto the windshield, panel light was intermittent and electric antenna was noisy. This is a 1994 850 Volvo. I bought it certified???? with 63,000 miles and now here we are in the year 2003 and due to all the problems I have had with it, it only has 96,000 miles on it and fortunately for me I did not have to drive very far in the last two years. Total cost with financing, maintenance and repairs thus far is $21,000 to drive 33,000 miles. It can no longer be driven and its net worth is $1200 since it now needs a complete brake job for $825, a front axle bearing for $850, air conditioning compressor for $1350, three struts are cracked, motor mounts need to be replaced, transmission fluid leaks, SRS light and ABS warning lights are constantly on, a cam positioning sensor for $400 had to be installed last year since the car would stall out while driving even if on the highway, - very safe car?
So, never buy a Volvo again. This car has been maintained fully every 5K or 10 K since day one and still nothing but maintenance problems. I lost $21,000 on this crappy car and am sure to tell everyone in the world what has happened to me. Volvos do not last past 60,000 miles these days unless you are willing to spend a fortune to keep it running. I have owned over 15 cars with 3 of them being new and this Volvo is by far the most expensive and worst car of all. All the dealer who sold it to me can say is "What do you expect from a car that is almost 10 years old with 100,000 miles on it?" Volvos are supposed to be known for going 500,000 miles plus - NO WAY!
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posted by
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Fri Jul 11 12:05 CST 2003 [ RELATED]
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Stop beating around the bush and tell it to us straight :)
BTW I have a 1997 850 GLT with 99,000 miles my wife loves. only minor problems.
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posted by
someone claiming to be geoff
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Thu Jul 10 07:58 CST 2003 [ RELATED]
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I checked the JD long term reliability ratings on my 1996 850. Those of you who continue to complain, either have your own agenda (perhaps you sell used
Japanese cars, or you have not taken proper care of your cars. Why don't you just move on. I see the same issues on any Japanese board. Get a life.
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geoff,
This is basically a self-help board for Volvo owners.
I really like my '98 S70 even though it hasn't been problem free. But I really enjoy working on cars. And that's a good thing since the care & feeding schedule of an 850/70 series is definitely greater than the current norm.
If I didn't want to or wasn't able to take care of the many very minor adjustments these cars require I would probably be complaining about rattles, creaks, and the high costs of dealer service as well.
The many knowledgable posters, complainers included, have been an invalulable resource for me. Hey, this is the USA. Everyone has a right to his or her opinion.
Bryan
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Give me a break. I'll gladly find my 96 so you can buy it and deal with the F'in headache it caused. It's great that you got a good one, but we're all entitled to our opinions... do you think we're all fabricating this stuff?
I'll gladly send all the records on my 96, every tune up, oil change, etc. done on time. The car was maintained at or more frequently than Volvo's standards. It was waxed frequently and in immaculate condition. I'm glad the damn thing is gone.
Why don't you visit national highway traffic safety's website and see how many complaints are logged against the 850 for safety related defects such as suspensions and brake systems.
Give me a break!! And no, I'm not pro JapCar at all and I work for a Japanese company.
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96 850 GLT 5-Speed- Sold due to astronomical repair costs.
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posted by
someone claiming to be Tripsis
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Fri Jul 11 02:16 CST 2003 [ RELATED]
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I have appreciated your advice. . .
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posted by
someone claiming to be Robert Firestone
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Thu Jul 10 19:44 CST 2003 [ RELATED]
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Flying Dutchman,
Before all of the stones come flying in, I understand that this is America and everybody has a right to their opinion and posts. That said, do you continue to post to inform people about your frustration with your 850 or do you post in an effort to "flame"? I have brought this up before, but I think the vast majority of owners who are satisfied or very happy (as am I)with their 850's tend not to post as much as dissatisfied owners. I think this board sometimes takes on a negative slant due to the repetitive doom and gloom posts. My 2 cents.
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No, I'm not trying to flame and I wholeheartedly agree with your statement that those that are unhappy complain more and a satified owner will say nothing. This is simply the way of the world.
Unfortuntaley, for me, my 850 was the biggest lemon I ever owned. I bought the car specifically due to Volvo's reputation for longevity and safety. After having known folks with 2 series and 7 series that were bulletproof, I thought I was making a wise investment. In fact I bought the car at a Nissan/Volvo dealer and was looking at Maxima's. The salesman asked if I'd be interested in the Volvo and I initially said no. He asked me to drive it and then make up my mind. It felt solid, I liked the 5 speed and it was a beautiful black on black fully loaded GLT with a 5 speed.
I was very happy with my 850 (at first), loved the way it drove and thought the seats were very comfortable. I told everybody initially that it was the best car I had ever owned. Within a month after owning it I had brake problems and air pump problems. Nothing major, but annoying. It ran great for a year after that and then the problems started and continued mounting.
In my opinion, the frequency of ABS, AC and Rear Main Seals is attrocious on the cars. I consider the ABS a serious safety problem and the rear main somehwat since oil makes its way to the exhaust. Volvo refused to stand behind the product whatsoever. My dealer and independent mechanic sees these problems all to frequently and both agreed that Volvo was screwing its customers by not even providing partial repair assistance.
The relaibility of mine was abysmal for a $30,000 car. What it simply boiled down to was economics. It was no longer feasible to spend thousands of dollars on annual repairs and worry every time I left the state if the car would make it. It was a huge disappointment.
I am not on this board to flame, just share the facts as they pertain to my experience. If you read through the posts, I have provided advice to many on common repairs and where to find parts. I feel I am well versed in the repair arena because I replaced every part on my 850 that are knwon to commonly fail. I replaced my own Rear Main because I refused to swallow a $1,200 bill. Thank god I did, because my syncros went on second gear, my starter and my cooling fan. All within 6 weeks of having the rear main replaced.
This car was meticulously maintained.
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96 850 GLT 5-Speed- Sold due to astronomical repair costs.
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FD,
Why didn't you invoke your state's "lemon law" or consumer protection act to make VCNA reimburse you for what apparently was a sub-standard product?
Was the dealer indifferent to your plight? I'd say you are remarkably restrained and fair minded after all you endured.
Bryan
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Here in CT, you need to have the same problem occur 3 times and not be rectified. Unfortunately, my issues were the sum of single problems. I really had no recourse as the car was out of warranty. I spoke with VCNA extensively and my requests fell on deaf ears. In fact, I receiced a letter from them stating that my issues were not known problems, yet their CSR on the phone said they were but there was nothing they could do.
I've cut my losses and sold the car.
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96 850 GLT 5-Speed- Sold due to astronomical repair costs.
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posted by
someone claiming to be Punxsutawney Phil
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Thu Jul 10 09:00 CST 2003 [ RELATED]
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....imagine how the average Soccer Mom responds to her second flatbed tow in less than a year!
-Punxsutawney Phil
Member, VCOA, PCA, BMWCCA
Owner, 100 shares of Honda Motor Co., Ltd. and 1 Honda Odyssey, 1 Honda Lawnmower, 1 Honda lawn tractor, and 1 Honda garden tiller
'98 V70T5M, 122,000 mi. Mobil-1 always, still on the original clutch (knock-on-wood) .. always maintained by-the-book-or-better
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posted by
someone claiming to be claude
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Thu Jul 10 12:31 CST 2003 [ RELATED]
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my base 1994 (which I bought new) went 260,000 miles on the original clutch till the rear main began leaking. So I had the clutch changed along with the rear seal. Mechanic showed me the disc and pressure plate and said it had plenty of life left in it. Funny thing is, the OEM disc I bought to replace it with looked slightly thinner and smaller in diameter. Don't expect I'll put another 200k on my old baby so I really didn't care.
Other than the rear seal- brakes last as long as any other car I've ever had (longer than most)finally replaced calipers at about 215k; replaced starter at 212k, water pump (preemptively) at 220k, struts 180k, front wheel bearings at 200k and 240k air con finally crapped out this year (never been charged so it may not be the evap) Never had a better car. Can't believe all the hard luck stories out there.
Car runs as well today as in 1994. Always used Castrol dino oil, 5k intervals, never been garaged! Not bad for a Maine car.
BR
Claude
1994 Base 5 spd, 265,000 miles best car ever!
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I went 125K on my clutch with a blown rear main. It was doused in oil when I removed it to do the rear main and wasn't slipping at all. It still had a bit of life left on it and I'm sure the oil wasn't helping. If you haven't had the famous rear main problem, you should be all right for a while.
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96 850 GLT 5-Speed- Sold due to astronomical repair costs.
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posted by
someone claiming to be Ronjon
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Thu Jul 10 08:50 CST 2003 [ RELATED]
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It is nice of you to say Volvo standard or any standards for that matter:
7 or 10k miles for oil change, the fluid is already in bad shape by 3k miles.
No reason to change transmission fluid, just 'watch' the fluid condition: Volvo service campaign. (in the mean time they will be waiting for your wallet)
And the list goes on!
These standards are a joke, made to make money. They wish tell you not to service anything. That way you will need a new car every few years. Look at how the tobacco industry fooled people.
Ronjon
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So lets just all bend forward and grab our ankles. Ain't capatilism grand?
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96 850 GLT 5-Speed- Sold due to astronomical repair costs.
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I think this report reflects reality, that Volvo reliability and longevity, since the 850 (and maybe the 700 series before that), has been in decline.
There seems to be a myth that ALL Volvos last 250,000+ miles and that all other brands barely pull past 100,000 miles before they die.
The fact is that if one were to lavish the maintenance resources, expended upon a typical 850, on a typical Japanese car, it would like-wise last past 250,000.
But, because Volvos have this 250,000 mile aura, people think it is a worthwhile investment to keep an old Volvo running, while most people haven't been brainwashed into thinking that a Japanese car can last 250,000 miles.
I think given an equal expenditure of maintenance resources, most Japanese makes would equal, or surpass, Volvo longevity.
In the old days, Volvo lasted long times because they were rugged and simple. Today, 850s last because of cashflow.
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Stop and think about this for a minute. Cars of yesterday didn't have the computerized everything like today's cars do. Computerized anything is more expensive to fix. Cars today cost a whole lot more on average too. No car is cheap to maintain anymore.
A lot of how the car will run over the long haul certainly depends on (who owns/owned) it and what care it was given. Obviously it goes to show that even if a driver who takes excellent care of a vehicle which is purchased from someone who did not, the vehicle may develop problems down the road. I've seen posts on this board of people doing neutral drops on the cars--which will destroy a transmission, or put 18" wheels--leaving very little rubber on the road--, and stiffer springs on cars that must be driven in areas which have zillions of potholes, and then complain that things are rattling apart.
**The fact is that if one were to lavish the maintenance resources, expended upon a typical 850, on a typical Japanese car, it would like-wise last past 250,000.** Define lavish resources? My 97 850-R has cost me no more than typical maintenance at 77,000 miles. I just replaced the rear rotors(original) and pads for $98. I bought it from new. My 84 Mazda 626, which I bought at 54,000 miles, needed to have the steering rack replaced, the power window motors replaced, and the stereo replaced, but I did like this car very much. I sold it at 185,000 miles simply because I wasn't sure how much longer it would continue running.
I'll bet that one can find owners of just about any car brand that says their car is a piece of crap and some that will love their cars. Remember in the 70's when Japanese car's had a bad reputation for quality? And Jaguar was in the garage more than on the street? And the list goes on.
Maybe someone should write to Volvo about their QC?
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You'll get 250K out of a Volvo these days, but it will cost. I don't think the problems are so much their engines, you don't hear much about actual engine failures, it's just everything attached to them.
I think the 250K statement applied and was accurate to most 240's. I agree that japanese cars will go to 250 as well. However, most people friving an econobox Camry/Accord don't want to invest thousands into them when they get old too.
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96 850 GLT 5-Speed- Sold due to astronomical repair costs.
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posted by
someone claiming to be Tripsis
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Thu Jul 10 07:47 CST 2003 [ RELATED]
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It seems from what I have read that the 1993 850 models seem to be the most reliable. This seems unusual for a first model year car.
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posted by
someone claiming to be Punxsutawney Phil
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Thu Jul 10 08:26 CST 2003 [ RELATED]
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According to the "Frequency of Repair' charts in Consumer Reports the 1993 has more black and half black dots ("bad") than any other year 2WD 850 or 70 (including the famous 1998s).
The 1993 is not on the "Used Cars to Avoid" list like the AWD Volvos, though. FWIW, judging by problem areas even the 1993's repair patttern looks about the same as the 240's and 940's and better than the 960's....
-Punxsutawney Phil
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I now have close to 170k km on my 1997 (into service November, 1996) 850 awd wagon. I have had not one speck of trouble with the awd components. General maintenance issues are the same as any other 850 - O2 sensor, ABS module, lower control arms, upper bushing, etc. My original rotors lasted nearly 130k km.
The 850 awd shares driveline components with the v70 awd and XC. The differences between the cars are:
1) manual transmission on the 850
2) model changes 850 vs v70.
The xc70 also adopted a different suspension - higher suspension and 15" wheels. All of which I suggest compromises the overall driving experience.
I suspect that the '98/99 XC got onto the "list to avoid" because of the overall quality problems Volvo experienced with the introduction of c/v/s/xc 70 models, combined with reported bevel gear failures. What % of owners experienced a bevel gear or propeller shaft failure? Only Volvo knows.
Neil
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1997 850 awd, m58 5 speed manual, 1989 740 GL, m47 5 speed - oh, and a 2004 Sienna
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for what it's worth, my 1993MY 850GLT (built august 1992) has needed a few AC system repairs/replacements (and a few ECC modules too), only needed a new exhaust system last summer, needs it's original suspension replaced (after many years of new england potholes, it finally needs replacing...), hasn't needed a tow in years! and is on the original automatic transmission, of course there are other minor repairs here and there... but knock on wood it's still working fine! it averaged about 10,000 to 12,000 miles/year for the first 8 1/2 years, and only a few thousand/year since
of course now that it's more than 10 years old, I''m trying to do as many repairs on it myself, not just to save money but to educate myself more about cars (funny, I'm a mechanical engineer..., but seeing cars sometimes make you think marketing had more say in the design or DFA - design for assembly, such as the requirement for hiding as many fasteners as possible behind one-time snap-on panels/covers)
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-- current ride: '93 850 glt
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Lexus and Infiniti a good choice. I have a Q45 (1990) no trouble. Wife's '97 850 T5 Lots of trouble. I prefer Japanese.
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posted by
someone claiming to be pflaumstrike
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Wed Jul 9 10:34 CST 2003 [ RELATED]
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Perhaps the results of the survey would be different if it was conducted after let's say...10 years of ownership.
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I wish you all would quit complaining about your Volvo's Sell it and get on with life. Mine I'll keep. I have 122,000 miles on my 850t and still can travel at 85 all day. Take care of your cars. I sure do. If I can find a good 850 r 5spd I'll buy it
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posted by
someone claiming to be Ronjon
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Wed Jul 9 08:43 CST 2003 [ RELATED]
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Only reason I bought an 850 was for looks. Thought, a non-turbo will do but found out that it is embarrassing. How did they think of making a tank with a ridiculous acceleration! I know, for poor people like me!
And I really enjoy going to the dealer to buy $7 retainer clips for my sunroof shade. Buy few thousands of those (for whatever reason!) and that will cost you a car!! I can chew the rest!
I am surprised how my transmission is holding up! Can’t weight to add an external cooler.
Ronjon
'93 850
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posted by
someone claiming to be Ronjon
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Wed Jul 9 12:17 CST 2003 [ RELATED]
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Sorry that this message was related to reliability.
My 1985 Honda Prelude lasted 190k miles with regular maintenance. By the time the 850s or S-whatevers go that many miles, I would be walking bare foot (i.e. no money to buy shoes). Thank god that most of us on this board are DIYers, getting some money out of car manufacturer’s banks.
Ronjon
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posted by
someone claiming to be 93 & 97 850'
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Wed Jul 9 09:09 CST 2003 [ RELATED]
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I think the car looks great!!! timeless
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My 96 850 was an absolute POS. Note: This is before Ford bought Volvo.
The S70 & S80, introduced also before the Ford purchase had some trouble. S70's suffered from electrical gremlins and S80's from expenssive tranny problems. The AWD systems also had their share of Gremlins in the V series and XC's. All before Ford.
I don't want to bash or defend Ford. I've owned a few and they've been cheaper to maintain and broke down less frequently that my 850. I personally have had good luck with them. I know people who haven't. My two Escorts back in school: 1st ran well to 140K, the second to 200K, my Explorer went to 180K. (They were all still running at that point when I sold them) My sister has an Escort with 80K trouble free miles, the one before that ran to 140K before sold, Uncle's Taurus went to 200K, other Uncle's Sable went to 200K, Grandma's Crown Vic is still cranking away at 150K+. Maintenance and repairs were mininal on all of these cars.
However, look at Jaguar pre Ford and post Ford. Look at Mazda reliability, look at Lincoln. All far above Volvo. I don't think Ford is the culprit.
Me... no more Volvo's after Volvo customer servive ignored my cries after two ABS module replacements, Air Cannister, Rear Main Seal, Alternator, Radiator Fan, Stater, Waterpump, blower motor, creaks and rattles, loose trim, peeling door panels, leaky sunroof, etc. etc. etc. This car was babied and well maintained. Every two oil changes, it was another $500-$1000.
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96 850 GLT 5-Speed- Sold due to astronomical repair costs.
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I agree absolutely! I have my issues with Ford products over the years, I think the blame up to now in reliability rest squarely with Volvo. (I can't believe you've had that much GOOD luck with the Escorts! Which model years?)
My 1998 V70 has cost me an arm and a leg in parts, almost all in electrical, air, or body parts. I now have to replace the ABS module. I've had the remote door lock levers replaced on the drivers and rear left door twice under warranty and they have remained broken for about a year until I can figure a way to make or buy a metal replacement part to fix the design flaw.
After belonging to the Volvo religion for over twenty years (first as a mechanic and then as a safety conscious consumer), my V70 and the stories I have followed hear and in other groups have caused me to renounce my faith. Unless something fundementally changes, I'll never buy Volvo again.
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I had an 81, an 88-1/2. My mother had a 90, my sister had a 93 and now drives a 97. All were great cars, and the 81's were never known to be good. The 88 1/2 was the best one. Now the 97 has been great too.
Thanks for your support on the Ford issue. I know they've made their junk in the past, but as of late they've cleaned up their act. Pre 90's were some pretty bad years for them.
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96 850 GLT 5-Speed- Sold due to astronomical repair costs.
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Wed Jul 9 08:23 CST 2003 [ RELATED]
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I own a Volvo and a Saab in upstate NY. As someone has already said, there is a difference between reliability and durability. Both of these cars are expensive to repair and I expect to have to do some fixes that my old Integra never needed. But we rely on them to perform every day, and they do.
I expect to have these cars a long time. My 855 seems especially well-built. It's a very heavy, solid, robust car. Like every Volvo I know, I expect it to run well and look good for years. I cannot say the same for that old Integra or for the many Toyotas, Subarus, etc. that do not seem to hold up in the harsh climate where I live. I think the Swedes have the longevity edge in colder areas such as this one.
Having to pay for repairs is not anyone's favorite task, but it is always cheaper than buying a new car. And since the Volvo ages so well, it makes sense to me to keep it going....
--Dan L.
'96 855 T-5, 82,000 miles
'00 Saab 9-3, 30,000 miles
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OK, so my V70 is still very new and maybe I'm just being optimistic out of my wish to have the car for a long time, but there have also been many posts on this board to indicate that Volvo has improved reliability in the last 3 years or so, and Consumer Reports, which if anything errs on the side of overvaluing cars that function like reliable but innocuous appliances, now has the V70 and some other models on their recommended list. The other thing is that reliability and durability are slightly different matters--I mean, I'm willing to sink a bit more into the repair of local systems in the car if the thing will remain the incredibly comfortable, versatile, and fun car it is for over 200,000 miles. More experienced Volvo owners than I am, weigh in pro and con!
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Mark 2002 V70 8k
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someone claiming to be Punxsutawney Phil
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Wed Jul 9 06:45 CST 2003 [ RELATED]
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Contrasting my Volvo and my two prior SAABs with my Honda lawnmower, Honda garden tiller, and wife's Honda Odyssey, after 20 years of driving Eurocars it's time for me to go Japanese.
I haven't bought an '04 Acura TSX yet because the supply-demand equation is still more on the side of demand instead of supply. If the equation doesn't change by this fall, I'll buy a V6 Accord EX-L even if I can't shift it for myself.
I'll miss the Volvo's wagonback. It would be nice if Honda imported the TSX wagon, but they don't.
-Punxsutawney Phil
'98 V70T5m, 122k mi.
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posted by
someone claiming to be Ray N.
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Wed Jul 9 17:16 CST 2003 [ RELATED]
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The Honda wagon would certainly be a hit in the U.S. market. I'm
surprised it is not here as an Acura (like the sedan version). For
those that have not seen it have a look at:
http://www.honda.co.uk/newcars/accordTourer.html
Maybe when all the kids buying slammed Civics have kids the wagon will
make it over here :)
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If it's reliability you want, do a Toyota. I am. Selling my 97 850 Turbo this week. Don't want to be keeping the mechanics wealthy anymore. Everything works, but I have replaced the steering rack, front rotors, and the obvious tune up stuff. Going for a Camry loaded.....
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I think they stopped making 850's more than 3 yrs ago. I dont think the 70's compare to the 850's. We looked at the 2003 V70 while the outside looked nice, the inside looked cheap. Plus dealer service guy told us not to get rid of car yet, it was just getting broken in.
94 855/126,000
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Wed Jul 9 08:17 CST 2003 [ RELATED]
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I own two volvo 850',
I am trading in my 97 850 sport wagon,
I have had it with all the b.s. my 97 850 wagons abs/tracs light is on the car creaks and rattles over every bump, my timing belt is due, the car
is way to slow,
I have done all the maintance to date,
I can not understand why the abs modual and the evap. are not recalls!!
my 93 850 glt stalled on the way to work, it took me 20 minutes to get it
started,
I pick up my new saab 9-5 se tommorow,
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someone claiming to be Nate
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Wed Jul 9 05:54 CST 2003 [ RELATED]
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I also have an 850 (1995) since new - what a pain in the butt to keep it running.
I have two Toyota's that make my 850 look like it was made by morons.
That said- they aren't as fun to drive as the turbo 850.
Me- I'll never buy a Volvo again.
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