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FINALLY. S70 Hard Shifting Solved...Volvo techs confirmed idiotic. S70 1998

This is an update to the hard shifting problem that I first reported about a month ago. (Manual tranny couldn't be shifted with the engine above a certain RPM.)

First, the techs at the dealer to which I took my car were dead wrong. They told me that there was some kind of internal transmission problem that somehow effected shifting into 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th gears. They told me they'd call Volvo for help, and to drive the car in the mean time. I asked if I could do additional damage to the transmission by driving it in this state, techs said "not at all." Good thing I didn't buy that.

I took the car to Aamco the next day and finally got some help. They test drove it and called me later that day saying that it felt like a clutch issue. "The engagement just didn't feel right" according to the guy who drove it. I was told that it may be a transmission problem, but it was probably something wrong with the pressure plate. A week later their suspicion has been confirmed. They inspected the pressure plate and figured out that some of the springs had failed, presumably causing a crooked disengagement and clutch drag. I was told that "the hole in the middle of the pressure plate looks like an egg rather than a circle." A new pressure plate, disc, and bearings are on their way and I should have the car back tomorrow or thursday.

Tim


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Tim Smith 98 S70, 74k mi.








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    My experience is that dealer techs often don't understand how a manual transmission and clutch operates..... S70 1998

    ...at least based on that they were baffled when the pilot bearing seized on my first Saab. And I'm SURE manuals were more common in Saabs than the 2-3% or so that Volvo sells.

    It's also my impression that the clutch job is only $$$ as opposed to $$$$ for a new transmission. Even though I think "everything" has to be pulled out, it goes right back in.

    -Punxsutawney Phil








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      My experience is that dealer techs often don't understand how a manual transmission and clutch operates..... S70 1998

      Maybe true with new, younger guys these days especially as few of them ever see problems now with MTs, especially Volvo MTs.
      In my younger days when I was a Subbie tech and Subaru had many trans problems (early-mid '80s), I rebuilt many a MT and knew exactly what parts to order just by driving the car (before opening the box).
      I've never needed to rebuild a Volvo MT EXCEPT one, the one on my old 745T that after doing a few 3000 rpm launches from stop lights (not good), first gear needle bearings distroyed the very costly mainshaft. It was cheaper for me to then buy an OEM reman. I've had old Volvo OD units apart too but never a newer MT as we never see bad ones.
      I've maybe done one clutch job on an 850 since they came out in '92.








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        another point S70 1998

        I don't think that Volvo even teaches newer techs anything about MTs anymore. Not much about clutches either btw (even though a fairly simple system). Years ago, other manufacturers (like Subbie) use to teach details about R&Ring the guts of their MTs and way back in the mid 80's, I was even at a Volvo MT class too BUT in recent times, I'm not sure that Volvo teaches anything now to younger guys so obviously, how much could they know?
        Volvo also doesn't teach techs much about the inner workings of automatics either YET the same techs are suppose to pass the ASE auto trans test to become a Volvo master tech these days. Volvo never did teach an auto trans overhaul class, at least not in my days. Volvo prefers that dealer techs replace their transmissions with remans which makes sense in that unless you overhaul ATs often, the odds of one missing a small detail and having it come back are great really (not worth the hassle of trying the costly and very time consuming learning curve).








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      My experience is that dealer techs often don't understand how a manual transmission and clutch operates..... S70 1998

      It's funny that you should mention your Saab because the manager at the Aamco was telling me last week how terrible older 900s are to work on. Apparently the top of the transmission IS the oil pan. It's very space efficient, but their books quote 21 hours for a transmission R+R. Whenever one shows up it goes directly to the local Saab specialist if it needs to be dismantled. I guess we don't have it so bad after all.

      Tim
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      Tim Smith 98 S70, 74k mi.








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    Volvo 'techs' or one guy? S70 1998

    What, you asked all their techs at that dealership or just one guy posing as a tech? Big difference.








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      Volvo 'techs' or one guy? S70 1998

      As far as the dealer is concerned, I dropped the car off for the day. They said they test drove the car and looked at the hydraulics. I talked to the service manager when I picked it up. He's the one who gave me their diagnosis.

      Tim
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      Tim Smith 98 S70, 74k mi.








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        ....one guy then S70 1998

        See, when one drops the car off a service writer writes it up and it's then dispatched to one guy. That guy can be a "kid", lube tech, etc who knows almost nothing about your car. Being that MTs are rare these days compared to many years ago and that MTs rarely have any problems, I can understand why a Jr tech might not know much about how to properly diagnose a clutch problem but then too, your car should have then been dispatched to a more experienced tech if one exists there.
        Chances are good that that dealer has at least one real tech who'ld know better but unfortunately that guy didn't get your car so you then got incorrect info.
        If you ever go back to any dealership and your car needs more than an oil change or basic service, request that a Master tech only works on your car as people can do that and often do where I work.








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    FINALLY. S70 Hard Shifting Solved...Volvo techs confirmed idiotic. S70 1998

    What's this going to cost, if I may ask?








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      FINALLY. S70 Hard Shifting Solved...Volvo techs confirmed idiotic. S70 1998

      I was quoted 7.4 hours of labor, plus whatever the clutch kit costs. Not sure exactly what their labor rate is. Frankly, I'm just happy to know that I don't need a new transmission like the dealer said I probably would. That's BIG money.

      Tim
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      Tim Smith 98 S70, 74k mi.







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