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Hard downshift from overdrive-99XC V70-XC70 1999

When driving at highway speed, then either accelerating to pass or heading up an incline, our XC70 (1999) with just over 60K gives a very hard downshift clunk.

We purchased the car about a month ago and had to have the ABS control module replaced (glad we bought a warrantee) which fixed the common 60K problems of speedometer and odometer going to zero/ABS and brake lights coming on/transmission locking into "limp home" 3rd gear. This repair did nothing for the "clunk".

I had the (dirty) transmission fluid flushed...I'm getting a little better mileage and smoother shifts in the lower gears, but the downshift clunk is still there from overdrive.

Any ideas? Thanks.








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    Hard downshift from overdrive-99XC V70-XC70 1999

    These transmissions really don't have a history of early failure, except for some of the very early ones - '93, '94. In our Xc's case, the condition was clearly the lock-up part of the converter, not the shifting through the 4 regular gears. It will lock-up around 45-50 MPH, and you can tell it has locked because the tachometer will not move very fast when you press gas slightly compared to the quick increase in RPM's with same gas pressure at below lock-up speeds (due to action of torque converter)- RPM increase more like a standard transmission with no converter slipage. Ours was particularly bothersome in the mountains, on two lane roads in the 50-60 MPH range, when even slight inclines would normally cause it to unlock and smoothly increase power. During the problem phase, you had to give it a good bit more gas and cause a harsh unlocking (feels like a downshift, but really just unlocking of torque converter) just to maintain speed. Do your shifts at speeds below agout 50 MPH seem quite smooth - up and down? The converter is not locked then, and harsh shifts at lower speeds might indicate an actual transmission issue. I might go to a different shop and do the full flush again, in case the first one did the shortcut method and just charged you for the better way ;-( Based on all of the posts I have read, I would expect this to be cured by a full flush with regular dino ATM - going to full synthetic shouldn't be required. Actually, if your warranty is still in force, this should clearly be covered, whatever the cause, since the car should shift like silk, and most actually do.
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    Mike Sullivan ('91 745 (171k), '93 965 (147k), '95 855T (60k), '98 V70XC (78k). Past Volvo's: '85 744 (256k), '86 245 (165k), '86 245 (195k), '88 745 (208k).








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      Hard downshift from overdrive-99XC V70-XC70 1999

      Thanks for the details. The lower speeds/gears shift smoothly, so you have pointed me to the problem. I'm going to hassle the Volvo service center that did the flush and go from there. If someone has another idea for a plan B, I'd like to know.

      Thanks for the info.








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    Hard downshift from overdrive-99XC V70-XC70 1999

    Are you sure that the transmission fluid was fully flushed, not just drained? The clunk is the torque converter lock-up (probably) and if the fluid was not flushed properly, only the transmission is changed and none of the torque converter fluid is changed. Our '98 had exactly the same issue, beginning about 35k, dealer said it is "normal" on three separate complaint trips, and then we changed to a better dealer who just said no problem, we'll flush it and it will go away. They did, it did, and they covered it under warranty (I guess because volvo says fluid doesn't need to be changed). So far, now at 79k, shifting is still smooth as silk. If yoyu have a service order from teh fluid flush, you might be able to tell by teh amount of new fluid they charged you for. Complete flush is 12+ quarts, versyus only about 3 for teh drain and fill.
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    Mike Sullivan ('91 745 (171k), '93 965 (147k), '95 855T (60k), '98 V70XC (78k). Past Volvo's: '85 744 (256k), '86 245 (165k), '86 245 (195k), '88 745 (208k).








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      Hard downshift from overdrive-99XC V70-XC70 1999

      I finally pulled the dipstick to see much better, but not CLEAN transmission fluid on the stick (the level was fine). If they did the "flush", it wasn't a very good job. I'm calling them back when I have a chance in a few days. Once I get the fluid looking good, I'll report back if it fixed the problem or not.








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        Follow up: Hard downshift from overdrive-99XC V70-XC70 1999

        The final follow up: The dealership was reasonable: they agreed that the fluid shouldn't look so filthy if they just flushed it. The technician "couldn't remember either way" if the work was really done or not...at least they didn't deny it. So: they did a full flush with no extra charge. The transmission works seamlessly now. Although i never noticed a problem in the lower gears, these are even smoother.

        thanks for the info!








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      Hard downshift from overdrive-99XC V70-XC70 1999

      Thanks for the reply. The service order shows the full 12 quart job like I asked for. Is this the first sign of an early transmission replacement?







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