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'Went for $13,500...not bad really, if it's as advertised. I sent a congratulatory email to the winner 'safetyfast10'..who may be someone here on the Board? I asked that they give the BB a report on the car once they get it home. 'Seems like the car found a good 'Volvo home', at least.
Dennis
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Found a new home for mine last month after 15 years of neglect up on jack stands in the garage. So glad to find an enthusiast.
Brickboard back??
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Art Benstein near Baltimore
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Well, it's not a 242T Flathood - but still a fine car - too bad it's on the other side of the world from me -
http://cgi.ebay.com/1992-VOLVO-240-SE-Estate-37-500-miles-only_W0QQitemZ4583328728QQcategoryZ9872QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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posted by
someone claiming to be robert wood johnson
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Wed Oct 19 03:14 CST 2005 [ RELATED]
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posted by
someone claiming to be Al
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Tue Oct 18 04:11 CST 2005 [ RELATED]
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I felt the car was worth a max of $10K not the $13,559 it sold for.
FYI Flat hoods are not that common to start with so they are rare.
There is a Red 86 744T M46 and the black hounds-tooth interior with a Plus Kit by me that is extremely clean if not perfect. I could probably snag for around $7,500. Would I pay 10K? No way the car isn't worth it, TO ME
It is like the people that spend $150K for a mint 1967 427 Tri-Power Corvette.
I can buy a new 2006 406 Corvette for $50K to $55K that would smoke the 67 in every way except looks. To some people it is worth paying a little more to get what they want. To the winning bidder he or she felt the car was worth the price and are at this moment happy as a clam. Of the 240 series the factory flat hood is the rarest of them all.
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posted by
someone claiming to be janey
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Tue Oct 18 06:51 CST 2005 [ RELATED]
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None of these cars you mention would fetch what they do now that eBay expands the market presence and adds the auction fever. But the value is exactly the price paid for the item bought at that moment.
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Very true. It takes two people to bid it that high, not just one.
And this is peanuts next to the $22,000 122S Coupe (with 60-something thousand miles) that sold on eBay just a week or so ago.
Yes, my $7k bid for this car was laughably short. Ah well, it was really far nicer than I need. I'd drive the heck out of anything I get, no point in paying a premium for low mileage only to blow that aspect away within a year or two.
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I'm JohnMc, and I approved this message.
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I started a new thread, and I started by quoting you, "...the value is exactly the price paid for the item...." in it because I agree with you.
See "...The 'price' or 'value' of used cars ... some comments and observations....", at http://www.brickboard.com/RWD/volvo-1014068.html
Thanks.
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posted by
someone claiming to be janey
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Tue Oct 18 09:07 CST 2005 [ RELATED]
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sorry I know this should be in opinions not a tech forum
Jane
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posted by
someone claiming to be Skip
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Tue Oct 18 03:06 CST 2005 [ RELATED]
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This auction (and the buzz it created here) really blew me away. I just had to follow the action to the end (No, I was not a bidder) and could not believe the frenzy. I'm partial to the Flathood and have owned 2. My current one has 45K mi. and was garage kept in FL for the first 20 years of it's life. I flew out to Ohio to buy it from owner #2 and drove it back to PA. The trunk was full of parts bought for a planned restoration (Bilstein shocks, strut bearings. wiring harness, door panels, etc) and all this for $3,500. Originally I thought my car would peak out at $6K. Now, who knows?
Skip
'93 850GLT
'83 242TI Flathood
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Well...my 'addiitonal' two cents.
Yes, everyone seems to have been following this auction...I don't think we could help ourselves.
I bought MY '83 Turbo two years ago in decent shape with 93 k miles for $3k ...since then I've put another 3 grand into it for maintenance and renovation of the interior, etc...so I'm at $6k, or roughly half what the auction car sold for. I DO believe these cars are somewhat collectible and if any 240 has a chance to appreciate, the early 80's turbo's (and 79 GT's, plus '93 Classics) will be the likely ones. The auto tranny is less desireable IMHO.
My car has been USED...the auction car, if properly described, is virtually NEW...so obviously the buyer thinks it worthwhile...and he may be right.
I hope he reports to us about the car.
I think I gave a nickel's woth of comment there..sorry
Dennis
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posted by
someone claiming to be Charles
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Mon Oct 17 21:01 CST 2005 [ RELATED]
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Okay, so you just spent nearly $14,000 on a 23-year-old car that is almost as common as dirt and that has a blue book value (if the blue book went back that far) of probably less than $2,500. You could never, ever resell it for what you paid....probably not even $7,500.
So, do you make the car a daily driver and proceed to wear it out? Do you drive it once a week and otherwise keep it garaged and, if so, what was the point of buying the vehicle in the first place?
I just don't get it...this is a very nice, very clean 240 but it is certainly not a rarity, nor is it a collectible or a 'classic' car. I would have thought that $3,000.00 was a (more than) fair price. Go figure...
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"Almost as common as dirt...certainly not a rarity"
Are you joking? There are a lot more than 500 pieces of dirt in the world. This is the rarest Volvo *ever*, bar none. For that reason alone it is collectible and was destined to become a classic.
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Jonathan Knauer - 94 945Ti - fun!
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I did not follow this auction like most of you but I would have to say that if that is what the vehicle is worth to you, then go for it. We only live once.
I am more into the vintage Volvo's (164's, 140's, etc) but I would have to disagree that this is the rarest Volvo *ever*
The Saint's P1800 ranks far above this one as does a P1900. I once offered someone six figures for a restored P1900 and the offer was declined. Like I said, it is all what it is worth to someone.
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1975 Volvo 164E (my favorite), 1981 262C Bertone (in progress), 1976 264DL w/ B21 engine, 1970 Olds Toronado GT (99% complete - 455 V8), my daily driver: 2006 Audi A8L
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posted by
someone claiming to be Charles
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Tue Oct 18 21:18 CST 2005 [ RELATED]
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"Are you joking? There are a lot more than 500 pieces of dirt in the world. This is the rarest Volvo *ever*, bar none."
I would be a fool to argue numbers. A 242 flathood turbo with intercooler is indeed a rare car ONLY because handful were manufactured. Not, as is the case with most so-called "rare" cars, because it possesses features or technology that were/are not available in other vehicles.
But it's still a dang 240, fer heaven's sake. :-)
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Rarest Volvo *ever*? Hardly. How many P1900's are in your local Autotrader?
BTW, 500 was the *minimum* amount of cars that had to be built for homologation. I wouldn't be surprised if there were several thousand flathood turbos produced.
Rob
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posted by
someone claiming to be Skip
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Wed Oct 19 02:28 CST 2005 [ RELATED]
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I agree that the P1900 was the most limited production Volvo ever. However, if memory serves me, it was never actually put into production after a Volvo exec took one out for a weekend test drive and found the fiberglass body lacked enough rigidity for even mediocre handling.
What made the Flathood unique is its true status as a Group A homoligated version of the 240. There were exactly 500 made, to meet the FIA Group A requirements. They were all shipped to Norfolk, VA where an FIA inspector counted them and signed the appropriate paperwork. About 20-30 were shipped back to Sweden to be made into a successful race car. The rest were shipped to dealers across the US.
Volvo was also required to publish a set of Homoligation papers that listed the "approved" modifications and upgrade parts that were available, in very limited quantities, at the time. The aluminum hood and rear wing are still much sought after.
IMHO, what makes the Flathood collectable is: Limited numbers, A nice pedigree (success in the ETCC), Drivability, Unique appearance.
what makes them fun to own is the fact that they are, at heart, a 240 Intercooled Turbo and are as easy to maintain and modify as any other T. It is one of the few collectable 240 models, the other being the '79 GT.
Would I have paid $13K for this car? Not unless I hit the Powerball tonight. But that's between the seller and buyer.
Skip
'93 850GLT
'83 242TI Flathood
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True, the P1900 had a limited lifespan, only because at the time it did not meet Volvo's criteria. Ironically, it is now the most coveted Volvo among the vintage collector's.
I believe that about 67 (plus some prototypes) of these vehicles were produced. Production started in '56 and ended in '57. Originally, the vehicle was intended for export to the US primarily, but ultimately, most of the models were sold in Sweden and it only came in three colors: light blue, white and a light yellow
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1975 Volvo 164E (my favorite), 1981 262C Bertone (in progress), 1976 264DL w/ B21 engine, 1970 Olds Toronado GT (99% complete - 455 V8), my daily driver: 2006 Audi A8L
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They only made 750 or so Suggas too. And those are pretty darn rare here in the US, as they all spent decades in the Swedish military. I've only ever heard of 3 or 4 of them here in the US, and while I've actually laid eyes on the P1900 I've never seen a Sugga other than pictures.
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I'm JohnMc, and I approved this message.
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Hmm. well in terms of what you can buy new today, the price that this car went for is a bargan. You have to spend $35,000 plus dollers to get a good RWD european sprots sedan today, and it is not even turbo charged or built witht he care that was put into the volvo.
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1988 244 DL + Virgos, and Power Windows, 1983 244 Turbo +Intercooler, 1984 245TI
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..and my '83 Turbo DOES sit in the garage...and is covered by collector insurance.
Cheers,
Dennis
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..and my '83 Turbo DOES sit in the garages...and is covered by collector insurance.
Cheers,
Dennis
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..and my '83 Turbo DOES sit in teh garages...and is covered by collector insurance.
Cheers,
Dennis
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posted by
someone claiming to be Charles
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Mon Oct 17 21:07 CST 2005 [ RELATED]
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"...common as dirt..."
Okay, before everybody jumps on me, I do get that this is a 2-dr, a turbo, and a flathood. But it doesn't have a manual transmission, even. Most flathoods do, and most sell for $3,000-$5,000.
It's still "just" a 240. I like my 1985 244Ti, but I would not pay 14 grand for one unless I could somehow roll the clock back to 1985 and buy it new.
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It's been the subject of some discussion for about a week ... check just some of the discussion:
http://www.brickboard.com/RWD/volvo-1013799.html
http://www.brickboard.com/RWD/volvo-1012362.html
http://www.brickboard.com/RWD/volvo-1011479.html
and there's some doubt as to the legitimacy of the claims.
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posted by
someone claiming to be morgan
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Tue Oct 18 01:15 CST 2005 [ RELATED]
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but none of the doubt has any legitimacy and fellow "claimer" Charles seems way too wrapped up in only this subject to be a bystander in the auction
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