Volvo RWD 200 Forum

INDEX FOR 10/2025(CURRENT) INDEX FOR 3/2005 200 INDEX

[<<]  [>>]


THREADED THREADED EXPANDED FLAT PRINT ALL
MESSAGES IN THIS THREAD




  REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE    PRINT   SAVE 

m47 MANUAL TRANS SHIFTING PROBLEM 200 1993

MY 1993 240 MANUAL 5SPD IS DIFFICULT TO SHIFT AFTER DRIVING FOR A WHILE. WHEN VEHICLE IS COLD, THE TRANS SHIFTS VERY WELL; HOWEVER, AFTER EXTENDED DRIVING, THE TRANS HAS GREAT DIFFICULTY SHIFTING PRIMARILY INTO 1ST AND 2ND GEAR. SOMETIMES 3RD AND 4TH ARE ALSO DIFFICULT AS WELL. THE SHIFT LINKAGE IS ONLY THREE YEARS OLD. VEHICLE HAS APPROXIMATELY 189,900 MILES. COULD CLUTCH BE WEAK OR IS TRANS THE PROBLEM? THIS IS A GREAT CAR THAT I WANT TO KEEP. I NEED SOMEONE'S HELP IN DIAGNOSING THIS SHIFTING PROBLEM!

THANK'S

603-231-2776








  •   REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE    PRINT   SAVE 

    m47 MANUAL TRANS SHIFTING PROBLEM 200 1993

    The problem you are describing is exactly like a problem I had a couple months ago. Same car. Same mileage. I was dreading the fix. I took it to my local reputable foreign car repair fellow. Here is what he fixed, write from his work order "Replace shift selector joint and sleeve. Install new bushings at linkage rod to shifter" Parts and labor for $200. My car now shifts very easily, and I am very happy.
    Hope this helps. Good Luck.
    Stephen!








  •   REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE    PRINT   SAVE 

    m47 MANUAL TRANS SHIFTING PROBLEM 200 1993

    Also, have a look at Paul Grimshaw's article at http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/Volvo_Books/trans2.html on the subject of transmission fluid. The M45/46/47 uses ATF. I changed the clutch in my M47 a couple of months back and replaced what I believe was the original fluid with 2 quarts of Redline MTL and the difference is amazing.
    I don't think the new clutch alone would have smoothed it out.
    --
    '80 DL 2 door, '89 DL Wagon








    •   REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE    PRINT   SAVE 

      m47 MANUAL TRANS SHIFTING PROBLEM 200 1993

      "The M45/46/47 uses ATF".
      Be careful about what you call ATF here. I went to the Volvo dealer and asked that they order me the exact replacement for the M47 fluid and they read to me from a factory publication the exact lubricant rating and fluid type. (I have it written somewhere), but the jist of it is that it is fullly synthetic, manual transmision fluid in a 5w-90 rating, with temperature range and viscosity rating that is different from ATF, although the ATF has similar characteristics, it doesn't have the detergents that ATF has. The Volvo stuff was $29 qt, and nobody ever ordered it before.
      After going to Redline, Amsoil, Penzoil and others websites, I found that the only fully synthetic transmision fluid on the market that meets Volvo's spec is the Redline MTL (Manual Transmission Lubricant), and for $8.75, well worth it.
      I don't think the problems here can be attributed to old/dirty fluid. After 250k miles of orig Volvo fluid, I fould it as clean as new Redline, and free from debris or sludge in the bottom of the tranny, so I do believe it shouldn't be messed with, although I did change it, which gave me the satisfaction of knowing it was good.

      There are two $2.00 hinge pins in the coupling in the linkage at the rear of the tranny that go bad, along with a rubber o-ring. Easy to replace. The nylon ball socket also can wear at the base of the shifter, but usually when it does, it's due to lack of lubrication, dirt falling from on top, and the nylon chews up the steel ball. Get the replacement parts and mate them to the old ball to see if the spherical shape is distorted, scored etc. You may need a new shifter. Also the two bushings at the pivot wear, along with the o-ring, so definetly get these. If you can get the old bronze type instead of the nylon they are better. Also order a new set screw sing they often are pretty rusty. If you need to replace the shifter, order the two rubber bushings if needed and roll pin that go into the top of the shifter, as you'll need to remove the pin to take the lower part of the shifter out. The upper rubber bushing often goes and causes vibration/rattle side-to-side when the car is atcruise or idle.
      --
      '89 245 sportwagon, destroyed by hit & run driver, RIP. '04 V70 2.5 T Sportwagon, 12k mi and '91 245 5-speed, 209k mi, replaced the '89








      •   REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE    PRINT   SAVE 

        m47 MANUAL TRANS SHIFTING PROBLEM 200 1993

        Pete,
        I enjoy hearing your input.
        First of all, the only thing I'm calling ATF is ATF. As Chris mentions, the owner's glovebox handbooks state Type F as the proper manual gearbox lubricant. I've checked the four different books in my posession, '79, '80, '84 and '89 and they all say the same. But I am aware that, "Volvo recommends synthetic transmission oil, Volvo Part No. 1 161 243-3 for use in areas where temperature remains above 14 degrees F (-10 degrees C), or for sustained heavy use such as in a taxi or other commercial vehicle." At least that's what Bentley tells me. I don't know if I should take that to mean that the Volvo recommended synthetic is supplied at the factory or if it's up to the owner to make the switch.
        I'll tell the story of my recent M47 experience. Admittedly, it is limited to one transmission, that in my '89 wagon (I have previously worked on the M45/46 in other cars). I encountered many, if not all, of the problems you mention.
        I can't say for sure what fluid was in the gearbox but it was discolored, verging on brown. I replaced it with Redline MTL, as I mentioned in my above post. Perhaps, if my transmission was originally supplied with the official Volvo fluid, a previous owner took it upon himself to replace it with Type F or Type G. But judging from the number of genuine Volvo parts that I have found on the car, and I'm talking normal wear items here, I surmise that this car was regularly serviced by a Volvo dealer or by a conscientious owner who wouldn't buy aftermarket. Spark plugs, plug wires, V-belts, timing belt, oil filter all had the Volvo name on them. It would stand to reason that if the fluid was changed Volvo synthetic fluid would be used to refill. But this is just conjecture on my part. All I know is, based on looks, the fluid was due for replacement.
        Play in the shifter was a definite concern. My previous three 240's, one of which I'm still driving, had not exhibited the sloppiness that was present in the '89. The pin goes through the shifter was rusted solid (no play there). I had to cut on either side of the shifter just to be able to remove it which effectively ruined the nylon bushings. That was no big loss since they were worn, as you have suggested. I discovered that the shift lever I removed from my departed '79 242 was nearly identical to the one in the '89, the only real difference being the chrome plated outer piece was a bit longer on the older one. I used the inside piece, the pin and the bronze bushings from the '79 and everything else from the '89 to rebuild the shifter. No new parts. The rubber and the rolled pin were in good shape. The nylon socket pieces were still pretty good. The pins at the coupling immediately behind the gearbox were also good so I reused them. I lubricated the various points where such is needed. There is still a bit of play compared to my '80 but it is so much better than before.
        Aside from that, the clutch splines were pretty dry, the pivot for the release bearing carrier was also dry and I used the grease that came with the new Sachs clutch kit for those points.
        Needless to say, all of these repairs contributed to much smoother shifting. This car really needed all of these remedies. I can't be sure that fluid is FRANK's problem. But in my case I really believe that the Redline was the most important part of it. I say this because the main complaint before repairs was difficulty shifting from neutral into first gear and into reverse. No trouble shifting up or down through the other gears. According to the Grimshaw article I cited earlier the first/reverse problem is a symptom of fluid breakdown. And the old fluid did look awfully cruddy.
        Maybe it's all in my head but that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

        I'm now going out to the garage to lube the clutch cable in the 242 with some Tri-Flow, containing Teflon, per your suggestion in another thread. When I drive it after driving the much improved '89 it feels so stiff I almost get a leg cramp.
        --
        '80 DL 2 door, '89 DL Wagon








      •   REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE    PRINT   SAVE 

        m47 MANUAL TRANS SHIFTING PROBLEM 200 1993

        umm....in my owner's manual for my '86 it says to just use type F ATF...the same as used for older ford cars, couple bucks a quart and works great. it sounds to me like the bushings or whatever to me too








  •   REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE    PRINT   SAVE 

    m47 MANUAL TRANS SHIFTING PROBLEM 200 1993

    This does sound like a bad clutch or not adjusted clutch cable. The M47 clutch is prone to not disengaging fully when old and tired,something that often happen long before the clutch plate wears out.
    Try adjusting the cable. If that doesn't help, you may need a new clutch.
    How many miles/years is on the old one?
    --
    '89 245 sportwagon, destroyed by hit & run driver, RIP. '04 V70 2.5 T Sportwagon, 12k mi and '91 245 5-speed, 209k mi, replaced the '89








    •   REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE    PRINT   SAVE 

      m47 MANUAL TRANS SHIFTING PROBLEM 200 1993

      agree with this guy, check your clutch cable. Jack up the driver front end and slide under the car. You will not need to get it very high, just a few more inches. You can see where the cable connects to the trans. Make sure the connection is solid and there is no slack.

      If you are in the car and you push the clutch and you can feel it engage at the top, then you have the clutch adjusted correctly.
      --
      85 240DL 189k; 91 240 169k; 98 S90 110k; 98 S70 160k







<< < > >>



©Jarrod Stenberg 1997-2022. All material except where indicated.


All participants agree to these terms.

Brickboard.com is not affiliated with nor sponsored by AB Volvo, Volvo Car Corporation, Volvo Cars of North America, Inc. or Ford Motor Company. Brickboard.com is a Volvo owner/enthusiast site, similar to a club, and does not intend to pose as an official Volvo site. The official Volvo site can be found here.