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Starter or Ignition? Engine won't turn over. 200 1983

Engine isn't turning over for some reason. All the electrics work..lights, radio, horn etc. Only thing I noticed today was that when driving around the volt meter was measuring close to 16 amps, but wasn't quite in the red yet. It later settled down and returned to the middle where it normally sits. Not sure if that has anything to do with it. I tried to jump it, but no luck. The engine still wouldn't crank. Any suggestions on where/how to troubleshoot is appreciated.








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    Starter or Ignition? Engine won't turn over. 200 1983

    Clean and tighten connections to the battery, starter and ground. Charge the battery overnight and see if that doesn't solve your problems. Dan








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    Starter or Ignition? Engine won't turn over. 200 1983

    What exactly does it do when you turn the key and try to start?
    steve








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      Starter or Ignition? Engine won't turn over. 200 1983

      Well, it's turning over fine this morning and I didn't do anything to it. When it wasn't turning over, the interior lights, horn and radio worked, but then when I put the ignition in position three it was dead silence. The interior lights would dim a little when in position three. Not sure if that info helps at all. The one thing I did notice is that the voltometer is registering high in the red.








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        Starter or Ignition? Engine won't turn over. 200 1983

        If it's an automatic, it sounds to me like a flaky neutral start switch. This prevents the starter from engaging unless you're in Park or Neutral.

        Your high voltage is likely unrelated, but you should get it checked/verified with an external meter. Might be problems with the voltage regulator on your alternator.

        --
        David Armstrong - '86 240(350k km?), '93 940T(270k km), '89 240(parts source for others) near Toronto








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    Starter or Ignition? Engine won't turn over. 200 1983

    Have you replaced the engine wire harness that is hooked up to the gray plug on the firewall above the engine? If not, check for crumbling insulation that could be the cause of your electrical problems.

    You can check if the starter will turn over by bypassing the ign sw. Short the starter posts with a screwdriver. (blu-yel(?) wire goes through ign. switch and returns.)
    --
    1980 245 Canadian B21A with SU carb and M46 trans in Brampton, Ont.








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      Starter or Ignition? Engine won't turn over. 200 1983

      The wiring harness was replaced about 8 years and 50,000 miles ago. Where are the starter posts? Do I need to remove the dash to access them? Once I short the posts do I just put the key in the ignition and turn it? Thanks.








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        Starter or Ignition? Engine won't turn over. 200 1983

        Just an observation, but if you have to ask about the starter posts. Maybe you should find someone who can help you. Don't want to see you fry anything electrical if you don't know what your doing.








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          Starter or Ignition? Engine won't turn over. 200 1983

          I went out this morning and it started right up. I repeated the process of turning it off and on it a few times and it worked every time. However, the voltometer gauge is running in the red at 16 amps. The alternator was recently replaced with a used one. Could a weak battery be causing the voltometer to run in the red? Also, is the cars inability to turn over and the high voltometer reading related?

          Thanks again. I just bought the car recently and it's my first 240.








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            Starter or Ignition? Engine won't turn over. 200 1983

            How old is your battery? It may be on its last leg. Welcome to world of Volvos.








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            Starter or Ignition? Engine won't turn over. 200 1983

            Start with the basics. Get the battery tested ... any battery seller will do so free. Volvo starters are not prone to failure ... even after 20 years. If battery is good (and fully charged) then clean the starter terminals. High amp reading on the meter while driving indicates a battery in charge mode or an excessive drain on the system like a short or maybe a high power stereo amp crankin' out the tunes.








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              Starter or Ignition? Engine won't turn over. 200 1983

              Although amps were mentioned in the first post, I think that we are talking about a 16 volt charging rate. We don't know that amp charging or discharging rate.

              I am not familiar with where that voltmeter pulls its reference, but I think that the older alternators had ground straps that are prone to failure. I would run the car up on ramps and get underneath and make sure the alternator is well grounded, and clean all the 12 volt connections on the back of the alternator while I was down there with the belly pan off.

              A battery that will not accept a charge or a poor electrical connection or ground can cause the problems you describe. You can tell more about what is going on with a cheap $10 voltmeter. Trying the lights and horn will tell you if your battery is completely discharged, but not much else. Your battery should measure 12.6 volts when the car is turned off. This should drop to 10-11 volts while it is cranking the engine. When the engine starts, it should charge at (shoot, I have already forgotten) somewhere in the high 13s or very low 14s at fast idle, measured at the battery posts

              As noted in another post, Volvo starters rarely fail, though I had to replace mine a few weeks ago.

              The starter is the black electric motor bolted to the engine, down low, driver side. There is a solenoid (electromagnetic switch) which is about the size and shape of a 6 oz can, attached to the top of it. The electrical connections are on the forward end of that solenoid. If you try to short across the connections to test bypass the ignition switch, it will spark and may ruin your screwdriver. Keep your face away from it. Be careful not to short those positive terminals to any other metal part or you may weld your screwdriver to the engine permanantly, and cause a lot of damage.








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                Afterthought 200 1983

                Have you pryed the caps off your battery and checked the water level? There should be a filler neck or other indication of how full it should be, and in any event, the water must cover the flat plates inside the battery. Use distilled water to top it off. Although the battery says maintenance free, on most of them you can get the caps off to add water. There are six cells, but all six caps may be connected to each other on a strip of plastic that runs the length of the battery. Pry up that strip of plastic and you will see six fill holes beneath it.







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