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quick (?) on water pump B230F 200

disassembled the entire cooling system sans water pump, THUROUGHLY flushed radiator... after pressurizing with plugged ports i found what i first thought was part of the hose that blew up previously but it kinda resembled some black windshield sealant... put it all back together - started car and heard a grinding noise coming from the water pump pulley -- pulse the throttle and i saw SPARKS! looked at its origin and noticed the outer edge of the pulley was contacting the lock nut on the altenator belt tensioner (new belt) released the trension and got the same result... got a flashlight and noticed the SAME black stuff from the radiator was being used to seal the water pump to the block!!!

OK here's the question: Could this crap be the culprit in allowing the water pump to sit not so flush to the block or is this a blown pump bearing?

Also, looking at new water pumps on Groton i Noticed that alll the pumps came with seals and gaskets... but the they also sell the JUST the seals and gaskets... this mean the water pumps hardly fail but the gasket does?

Thanks in advance








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    quick (?) on water pump B230F 200

    I've got two 240s each still with their original water pumps. The 89 has only done 140,000 miles, the 93 has done 360,000 miles.
    The 93 has a small hole on top for applying a few drops of lubricating oil to the spindle once in a while. The 89 didn't have that, but in a recent check I found the pump was getting a bit stiff. I drilled a hole in the same corresponding place as in the other one, and after a few shots of oil it freed up.
    I've never had any difficulty making a seal. You have to remember that the pump slides upwards to compress the top seal, so you don't want a fast-setting cement on the paper gasket or you will rip it as you slide the pump.

    The belt length is very critical. Half an inch difference in length puts the alternator too close, or off the adjustment scale.








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      How sure are you about the lubricating oil? Source? .... 200

      Hey, I just replaced my pump with a Hepu and noticed it had the hole on the wrong* side.
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      * I thought they're a "weep" hole for a coolant leak, and ought to be on the bottom! But it was on the top side -- a strange place for a place through which water should drip!
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      So it seems that your explanation makes sense in light of that hole's placement.

      But how sure are you that we're really supposed to apply oil periodically to it? I'm concerned about damaging a bearing or seal that is *not* supposed to be exposed to oil -- i.e., one that is designed to be lubricated by proper coolant instead, which is what I thought happens to water pump bearings. I've never heard of that step in the maintenance guides.








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        How sure are you about the lubricating oil? Source? .... 200

        I've never read it anywhere, I'm just going by past experience with waterpumps on other cars. If there's a hole, oil it. Some have had a grease nipple screwed in instead.
        I don't give excessive oil - maybe about 2 drops per 50,000 miles. It seems to work for me - I've never worn out a water pump in 40 years (million miles?!) of driving.








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    quick (?) on water pump B230F 200

    You're funny. Volvo B230 water pumps are better than they have been in the past but for the most part they crap. They stock the pump gaskets seperately because people screw up the installation the first time around, usually at the O ring that sells the by-pass pipe, and they have to take it back apart and re-do it. More often than not you will trash the paper gasket doing so and now you need another gasket for your new pump. I've been doing this crap for 20+ years now and every once in a blue moon I too will screw up a pump install, I tend to miss a teeny tiny piece of gasket somewhere and it will leak under pressure and I get to do it all over again. I cannot remember the last time it happened but you can rest assured that there are a couple of complete B230 pump gasket sets on the wall in my shop. Those pumps were so bad about leaking that while they were under warranty Volvo Cars actually sent out a bulletin that said you had to count the DPM's or drops per minute and only replace the pumps that had a drip rate in excess of 10 DPMs. Hey, I can't make this crap up, too funny huh? At any rate the new pumps tend to work better than the old ones.

    Your sparking problem, what kind of belt(s) are you running? Is it the correct factory Volvo belt or a Conti of the correct dimension? If you are running somekind of wildcat BS belt that is too short it will allow the nut for the tensioner to come into contact with the water pump pulley. Your thoughts about a blown out pump bearing are not unfounded either. I have seen pump bearings so blown out that the allowed the pulley to lean over far enough to spark.
    Your black crud sounds like black RTV more than anything and it will not cause the pump to sit out too far and even if it did it would cause the pulley to sit out further too which would space it away from the cause of the grinding and not closer.
    My money is on the alternator belt set being too short.

    Good luck,
    Mark








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      quick (?) on water pump B230F 200

      Thanks!
      When I pulled the old belt I grabbed two screwdrivers and pulled them apart with both belts stretched around them... the old one had about 4-5 mm difference. I then stretched them each by hand and i got a springy sensation in the old one...

      Yeah - i can see where you are right on the pump
      But after doing some reading and some reasoning I came up with this approach [before i invest more Christmas money into new pumps]
      My Power Steering Pump has always been a little out of track with the crank pulley and the A/C compressor had a funny operation and the now slight movement of the alternator has me thinking: Acessory Mount Bushings.

      After posting this initial post I went outside and grabbed the PSP and Alt and i got some sideways movement indicative to 20 year old bushing deteriation.

      Hey, it's cheaper than fishing for a $65 pump out of my bank
      and the bushings are only $1.75/ea. online - might be even cheaper at my local reapair shop. Cuz I DO NOT like delivery fees.

      Tim








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    quick (?) on water pump B230F 200

    DOn't know about the pump bearing but I have bought and used gaskets and seals for the WP in the past. I like to pirate parts so new gaskets come in handy and I replaced the top seal when I did the head







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