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Customized speaker covers and some observations (with Pics!) 200

I could detail this saga for pages but I'm going to be as brief as possible. When I got my '93 sedan the stock 5 1/4" speaker covers were cracking and I only made it worse trying to get a new set of Pioneer 5 1/4" speakers to fit under them - which all of us that have tried know is not easy because aftermarket two-way speakers have the damn tweeter sticking out three feet. I settled with 4" speakers for a long time.

Last month I found two '92 240s in the local yard, bought the 5 1/4" speaker covers for $1 each. Here's a picture of one of the originals from my '93 (left) next to the one from the '92. Same thing except for the Volvo HT-204 lettering, right? Then why is the part number on the back different...no matter.



So I decide now that I have extras I will chop/mangle one set to give me enough room for aftermarket 5 1/4" speakers underneath. I discover that even after overcoming the problem of the tweeter contacting the grill, the edges of the speaker touch the face of the cover and cause vibration/rattling. So, using a sanding drum and some steel speaker grills from a crappy Sony stereo I managed to give myself enough room for the 5.25" Pioneers I have. Looks stock, non?



Putting the new covers on I discovered that they fit oddly. I didn't alter the fitment of the cover to the spacer/back plate in any way so the speaker cover should still fit flush against the door but I have a 1/4" gap at the top. An incredulous light bulb went on and I compared a cover that came stock on my '93 and one of the '92 speaker grilles; this is what I found:



That is a shot of the tops of both covers, the '93 on the left and the '92 to the right. Still not believing what logic was telling me I went to look at Dad's '91 wagon. Sure enough, the top part of the door panel sticks out 1/4" more on his than on mine, and obviously, the same is true for a '92. To re-phrase, between 1992 and 1993 model years, Volvo made door panels that stuck out 1/4" or so less than the previous years and had to make new speaker covers to compensate and fit flush against the door panel once again. Why???

And the second thing I've discovered lately concerns the trim. I've been working to restore the gleem to my black '93 and break the monotony by uncovering the stainless steel trim that was painted black in the later years. I knew it was still stainless because the paint (powder coat, really) had been chipping and the polished beautiful stainless was showing through. So I set out to strip the black off which was working marvelously until I hit the rear quarter-window trim. Let me illustrate my findings with a photo:



In short, the last piece of trim does not match the remainder. Bare - even anodized - aluminum will never shine like stainless steel. Now, I've spent a month and a lot of research and thought and have a few ways to overcome this annoyance which I am currently putting in effect. I just thought it was interesting information - well, maybe only to me - and that I'd share in case anyone else ever wants to know.

Okay, this post is long enough, take care guys, hope you found some of it interesting.
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Sean Corron








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    Customized speaker covers and some observations (with Pics!) 200

    So are you saying that the speaker depth on the '93 is shallower than the 92'? Do you mean within the door?

    I'm planning to add some shims to my fronts so that they're secure to the sheetmetal instead of hanging in the door fabric of my '92. I'd like to add a speaker baffle too, but don't know if I have the room.

    That's awesome that you were able to get the tweeters to fit under the screen. You used a different screen? They look great.

    I have kenwoods that were slightly wider than the frame opening. I ended up taking the screen out and shaving the opening about 1/8". Then I made the screens more convex and glued them to the OUTSIDE of the frame. Doesn't look as nice, but the tweeter doesn't touch the grill.
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    ...
    '92 245, Black & Tan, Virgo Mags, 126K








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      I almost did the same thing, Jay - reshape the stock grills and glue to the outside - but I had a set of Sony bookshelf seakers sitting around doing nothing, so I stole their grills, which are also steel as opposed to aluminum and just happened to be the perfect size.

      Not saying speaker depth is shallower, I'm saying that for some odd-ass reason, Volvo made the door panels different in '93 only. The top strip of vinyl that protrudes, does so 1/4" less on the '93 as opposed to the '92. Don't know why. I'll try to take a better pic to illustrate.
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      Sean - now frolicking in the Land of a Thousand 240's (aka, Fredericksburg) thrice a week.








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    hi sean
    nice job.
    how about the rear door speakers. i added some infinity reference in the back doors of my 85 turbo along with some newer door panels.
    heres a try at a pic.
    --
    85 244 turbo 225,000. 95 944 turbo 120,000









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    That trim looks great!.. 200

    It really defines the lines of the car.
    Don't fret about exact matching,shiny is shiny,
    and if you go too far something may suffer.
    BTW; Not to split hairs,but I just put a magnet to
    my trim collection and all the 140 drip rail,
    and 240 & 140 & 1800 side trim are chrome plated,
    so I got a sneaky suspicion that 240 drip rail
    is chrome plated steel also.
    Even if it is acid etched paint doesn't stick to
    either very well anyway,being that Chromium
    is the main ingredient in stainless.
    Right on looks real classy!
    Ken
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    69-145-S ; 71-145-S ; 72-145-E ; 72-1800-ES ; 87-245-DL








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      That trim looks great!.. 200

      I have to disagree with you, Ken, at least in the case of the 240. The magnet test is not always valid - some stainless alloys are indeed magnetic.

      I know the window scraper trim is not plated because I have buffed/sanded/cut the hell out of it and it's solid, no plating. Same goes for the old-style hubcaps. I believe the drip rail trim to be the same metal though I've been far less destructive to that.

      The hubcaps fooled me - they were magnetic so I assumed chrome plating. Nope, they're solid, it's not always easy to tell.

      I know a lot of plastic got chrome plated on a 240, and maybe some mild steel on the headlight and grill surrounds for some years. I also believe the trunklid emblems to be nickel or chrome plated aluminum during some years. Even though it's most commonly believed they were anodized, I have tried stripping the "anodizing" off of these emblems with a sodium hydroxide bath and have not observed the expected reaction. While I'm not especially familiar with forms of anodizing other than decorative - for instance, hard anodizing - sodium hydroxide usually strips anodizing off in seconds. I left an emblem in the solution for a couple minutes with the only notable reaction being in a scratch on the emblem that went down to bare aluminum. To me, that - and the color change between the top "layer" and the bare aluminum - points to plating rather than anodizing...for some years' models. Volvo obviously changed the method of production over time because starting in '92 many 240s got poorly chromed plastic emblems - yuck.

      BTW, thanks! You're one of the few that share my love chrome and support my retro-efforts.

      As for the aluminum not matching, not a problem, I've got something in the works and will post a picture if it goes as planned.

      Also, you said you were going to e-mail me some pictures of your project I think - the e-mail function on Brickboard seems to be screwey at the moment so just in case you can't retrieve my address it's: seancorron(at)hughes.net

      Thanks again, Ken.
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      Sean - now frolicking in the Land of a Thousand 240's (aka, Fredericksburg) thrice a week.








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        Astute observation!.. 200

        Yes I did notice the magnet was not strongly attracted to
        the 240 side trim in paticular,I think you are on to something.
        In fact Volvo used to advertise about the Stainless trim,so I
        was starting to wonder what exactly the deal is.
        I will double check the address and send the '71-145-S
        original brick pix's again.
        Thank you for the metals expertise.
        Ken

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        69-145-S ; 71-145-S ; 72-145-E ; 72-1800-ES ; 87-245-DL








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    Customized speaker covers and some observations (with Pics!) 200

    Wow. NIce job! I have been trying to figure out a way to get the door speakers to miss the window crank. That would be a good way to do it. Also, did you just remove the rubber around the rain gutters and then take the trim pieces off and paint them? That looks classic. I might try something along those lines to get a "cleaner" look on my car. Great Post! Happy Bricking!
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    1987 244DL Auto, new rear main seal! Back to the stock air box:(








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      Andrew, I'm trying to figure out what you're asking. Let me throw information at you and you can pick out what you need.

      For the drip rail trim I taped off the side of the car and a few inches of the roof and brushed on gel paintstripper. After about an hour I took a bone scraper and some 0000 steel wool and scraped off the powdercoat/paint. That's it, really.

      The window scraper trim was removed from the car - quite easy, just pry carefully straight up until free - and the rubber taped off rather than removed to avoid distorting the metal any more than necessary. Then more paint stripper, more steel wool and scraping, followed by a LOT of buffing with an emery compound to remove scratches - very few of those - and then a short-cut to a green chrome polish for high shine. It's actually almost impossible to futz up the polish on a metal as hard as this stainless.

      The rear quarter window trim was a pain! I began by trying to leave the trim on the car and scrape off the paint/powercoat. Too hard. So I tried to get the small strip at the bottom off without removing anything else - big mistake, it bends easily and was NOT meant to come off like this. So after goobering up the first side, I drilled out the rivets on the other side and removed the whole piece of trim from the window. I unclipped the bottom strip, polished, then attached the whole thing back to the car by tapping the holes vacated by the rivets for screws. Now I can remove that trim piece at will. It's coming off soon for the next phase of my project...

      Hope that answered your question!

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      Sean - now frolicking in the Land of a Thousand 240's (aka, Fredericksburg) thrice a week.








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        Thanks! That was all very helpful! I guess dip rail trim and rain gutter are the same thing, just different terminology. I really like the chrome on this car and the black just emphasis' the wrong areas. So My hope is that I can get everything lookin shiny soon! Thanks for all the helpful tips! I have a new goal now! Oh boy Oh boy....more stuff to do.....weeee....
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        1987 244DL Auto, new rear main seal! Back to the stock air box:(








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      Customized speaker covers and some observations (with Pics!) 200

      If you have crank windows, good luck! These late speakers were only used in cars with power windows. You'll still need a very shallow depth speaker to clear both the window crank and the window frame on the inside of the door.

      The late cars give you a bit more room by allowing the speaker to stick out of the door further on the inner part of these speaker surrounds. You may not be able to use these without some modifications on your 87 door panels.

      I know I fought with it long enough in my 87...
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      ::: Rob Bareiss, New London CT ::: 92 244 ::: 90 745GL ::: 90 745T ::: 84 242DL ::: 90 745T Parts ::: Used to have : 86 244DL, 87 244DL, 91 244, 88 244GL, 88 744GLE, 82 245T, 86 244DL, 87 244DL, 88 245DL, 89 244DL!








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    Hi Sean,

    That was a well done post and yes, I learned something from it. Deserves a thumb in my opinion, as I've never seen either of these issues well documented. I think we've all wondered how to make the trim look like new again, and yes, one of our cars - can't remember which - I had to add some tiny sheet metal screws to keep the aftermarket coaxial speakers from pushing the grills off before someone stepped on one and mangled it.
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    Art Benstein near Baltimore

    Every calendar's days are numbered.








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      Thanks Art! Quite the complement considering your posts are some of the most informative and well-illustrated ever to grace the Brickboard.

      I'm just happy to contribute something new to the collective knowledge base, especially when that knowledge would have saved me time and frustration had I possesed it beforehand.
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      Sean - now frolicking in the Land of a Thousand 240's (aka, Fredericksburg) thrice a week.








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      Oh, you ought to see what my Volvo-dealer friend is doing in his spare time! He's spending his daughters' college funds on a total best-of restoration of a '75 164E!

      At this point the car is going back together- new 240 sunroof clip welded in, 240 door posts, hinges, latches, and late model doors, bright red paint finished beautifully.

      The door and quarter window trims he has done almost exactly what was done here: polish all the black off the chrome or aluminum trim. But I will take issue with the premise that the aluminum will never shine. It just takes polishing with very fine grits, and a lot of work.

      A nice effect that can be achieved is to save the black anodizing in the inner part of the quarter window frames but just polish the face of it. Looks very nice when done this way. Note that removing these to polish requires drilling out a rivet in the corner.

      The cars do look impressive with shiny trim all around the doors and roof- really this is what they were designed for in 1975 (1967, really, with the 140). The black trim accents in various forms came much later. It's nice to see a dramatic change in appearance, something that really sets the car apart, with such a simple improvement that anyone can do, given a bit of time and hard work.
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      ::: Rob Bareiss, New London CT ::: 92 244 ::: 90 745GL ::: 90 745T ::: 84 242DL ::: 90 745T Parts ::: Used to have : 86 244DL, 87 244DL, 91 244, 88 244GL, 88 744GLE, 82 245T, 86 244DL, 87 244DL, 88 245DL, 89 244DL!








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        Customized speaker covers and some observations (with Pics!) 200

        I didn't mean to say that aluminum can't be polished, Rob - I can make it shine like the sun - but it'll never match stainless. Aluminum is too white whereas stainless has a "warmer" look. The bare Al will also cloud up fast from oxidation. Not to worry though, I've got a solution and will post pics of that when it's done!

        BTW, I agree totally - the car was designed to have chrome accenting the lines, to paint it black was a poor attempt at modernization.







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