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Double checking center drive shaft bearing lubrication procedure - help, please! 200

1990 244 DL, referencing thread http://www.brickboard.com/RWD/index.htm?id=1167440, in regards to what I thought was transmission whine, but was directed to the non-serviceable center drive shaft bearing as a culprit.

I just want to make sure I'm about to perform the correct operation - please correct me if I'm wrong! Also, step 3 has two options - which should I be picking?

1. Remove the center crossmember (the one behind the transmission crossmember).
2. Approaching from the back, peel back rubber donut.
3. Use a small pick to lift back plastic cover, and using LPS2 Industrial Lubricant or LPS3 Rust Inhibitor? (suggested by rstarkie), fill as much as possible with the plastic straw.
4. Tuck everything back together, using vinyl conditioner to lubricate the donut.
5. Remount center crossmember.
6. Torque everything.

Thanks in advance!

I think I can, I think I can, I think I can get Junior on the road!
ezsha
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'84 244, Peter, never drove. Robbed to fix Paul, '86 244 - drove for 2 years; holey saint now, passing parts to Paul Jr, '90 244, yet to drive. Friends w/ '90 245, jokingly aka Mary, (pregnant sedan & completes PPM trilogy). Daughter to unnamed '90 745.








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    Lubrication complete and all is quiet! 200 1990

    1990 244DL

    Went for a test drive today, and the drive line is quiet! Not a squawk, nor a squeak, nor a whimper! YAY!!!!

    Based on the condition of the spring and the rubber in the central support bearing mount, I will be replacing the entire assembly in the near future. I was amazed at the amount of corrosion gunk that vacated the bearing while I was lubricating it... yet another reason not to let a car sit!

    However, if I can get the clunk in the front end to go away, I am pretty confident I can drive it for a little while without worrying about this particular situation too much! Junior goes back to the mechanic to have him tighten the gland nuts properly, like I asked him to do at least four times, if the strut tubes haven't already been destroyed.

    Thanks for all suggestions and the encouragement!

    I think I can, I think I can, I think I can get Junior on the road!
    ezsha
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    '84 244, Peter, never drove. Robbed to fix Paul, '86 244 - drove for 2 years; holey saint now, passing parts to Paul Jr, '90 244, yet to drive. Friends w/ '90 245, jokingly aka Mary, (pregnant sedan & completes PPM trilogy). Daughter to unnamed '90 745.








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    Double checking center drive shaft bearing lubrication procedure - help, please! 200

    There is no need to dismantle anything, apart from dropping the cross member and peeling back the doughnut. Then you can spin the bearing and confirm it as the source of the noise, or not.

    In my experience injecting a bit of oil is not just a stop-gap measure. Mine started squeaking a few years ago, so I gave it a drop of oil, and spun it to work the oil in.
    That was at about 250,000 miles. It is now on 365,000 miles, and still silent.
    I reckon it's a routine service item, probably worth doing every 100,000 miles.








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    Update on lubricating the center support bearing - the flush is on! 200

    I have it torn apart, and have been lubricating with LPS2 industrial lubricant - it goes in a clear light amber, and is coming out a very muddy rust, so obviously there is some serious corrosion here.

    I'm going to repeat the lube and spin cycle a couple of times to flush it a bit more, but at least the whole rubber assembly is turning quite freely now, as opposed to when I started. I believe the outer race is turning very freely now on the bearing, as the lubricant straw, which I try to wedge between the ball bearings up near the top, glides around to the bottom when I try to pull it out.

    It looks like I will be learning how to remove and replace a center support bearing in the very near future. I just hope this kills some of the noise in the mean time.

    Thanks to rstarkie for the vinyl conditioner suggestion - it made a huge difference in me being able to slide the rubber support around to get the jeweler's screwdriver into the seal. That got me started, and the industrial lubricant helped slide things around too. A dental pick was too small a diameter tool to create a big enough hole to tuck the straw in next to it.

    I will post when I've run it as to my success in diminishing the noise.

    Thanks again!

    I think I can, I think I can, I think I can get Junior on the road!
    ezsha
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    '84 244, Peter, never drove. Robbed to fix Paul, '86 244 - drove for 2 years; holey saint now, passing parts to Paul Jr, '90 244, yet to drive. Friends w/ '90 245, jokingly aka Mary, (pregnant sedan & completes PPM trilogy). Daughter to unnamed '90 745.








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    Doing it WRONG. 200

    Yep that is what I said. You are doing it wrong....Before doing anything, do as was already said. Mark everything as to it's alignment. I take a parts marker and draw a line from the front connection to the tranny all the way to the rear connection to the differential. Oh back to your dong it wrong.. After you drop the crossmember (I hope you are supporting the tranny) then the next step is to REPLACE THE CENTER BEARING.. Stop trying to patch something that can cause an accident or other serious problems.. If it squeeks then you are going to have to replace it eventually anyway. Why whimp out by squirting a little oil on it... FIX IT..I mean really, you got the crossmember down, all you have to do is disconnect the shaft and replace the bearing. The hardest part is removing and reinstalling the bearing over the short shaft. Tap if off with a hammer, replace it using a short length of pipe the diameter of the bearing. Read your Bentley..Max:>)
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    Max..1989 244 DL 5 Spd., V15 Phase II Cam Bilstein HD, Turbo Swaybars, Poly Bushings all round, Turbo Wheels, Black leather interior, Electric mirrors, LED dash and gauge lights and now NEW ECODES with the turn signals, 1992 black 244 next project








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      This works as a sound elimination test - it clarifies if I need to replace center bearing or tear apart transmission. 200

      Thanks for the input.

      With everything else I've done to Junior, I'm hoping it will just be the carrier bearing I need to replace. However, I need to know if I can drive it so I can work - or if I need to be looking at tearing apart the transmission, something I haven't done yet.

      If lubing the bearing works and eliminates the noise, it will let me drive it for a week, so I can afford to replace it within the next couple of weeks. It also allows me to loosen all the corrosion on the bolts for the support, something I've become quite familiar with in the past 4 months.

      If the sound continues, I'm in a world of hurt, as it's probably a transmission bearing, and will be another time-consuming and probably expensive mandatory lesson.

      So I'm okay with doing it 'wrong' if it will help me do it right shortly, and give me a bit of piece of mind that I'm not doing this for naught.

      I think I can, I think I can, I think I can get Junior on the road!
      ezsha

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      '84 244, Peter, never drove. Robbed to fix Paul, '86 244 - drove for 2 years; holey saint now, passing parts to Paul Jr, '90 244, yet to drive. Friends w/ '90 245, jokingly aka Mary, (pregnant sedan & completes PPM trilogy). Daughter to unnamed '90 745.








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        This works as a sound elimination test - it clarifies if I need to replace center bearing or tear apart transmission. 200

        "If the sound continues, I'm in a world of hurt, as it's probably a transmission bearing, and will be another time-consuming and probably expensive mandatory lesson. ""


        Relax buddy. As I said in your original post...unless the trans Fluid that you drained is filled with metal filings, your tranny is OK.

        A noise from a failing 5 Speed will occur at first ONLY when in 5th gear. If you shift down to 4th the noise would stop because you have taken 5th and its bearing our of the chain.

        Plus is will not be a screach or metalic scraping, but more like a humm. Because the reason for the noise is the 5th gear bearing going, which is inside the transmission case and still bathed in trans fluid.

        And said many times on this board...M47 trans....do yourself a favor and spend the $25 and fill it with Redline MTL.








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      Doing it WRONG. 200

      Max,

      All due respect, Max, but I think it is a stretch to say it is "wimping out" to lube the bearing.

      The crossmember involved is not the transmission crossmember but rather the light duty affair that holds the bearing assembly in place. Once the car is up it is a 30 minute job to do the "quick fix".

      Circumstances sometimes dictate the quick fix. Time available, part availability, money, pressing need for the car to be on the road rather than the down time associated with replacing the bearing. The quick fix can buy the time we need sometimes. The replacement can sometimes wait until we can deal with it on our own time schedule.

      Just another opinion (grin). Have a good day.

      Randy








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    Double checking center drive shaft bearing lubrication procedure - help, please! 200

    Although a number of folks have had success with lubing the carrier bearing. Unfortunately, when you hear a bearing growl, damage has been done.... Consider replacing the bearing, that way you won't have to worry about it again for a VERY long time.

    jorrell

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    92 245 245K miles, IPD'd to the hilt, 06 XC70, 00 Eclipse custom Turbo setup...currently in pieces








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    Double checking center drive shaft bearing lubrication procedure - help, please! 200

    After removing the support crossmember the driveshaft will drop down from its normal position. Take note of how everything is put together when you drop it down. The spring on the donut position and so on. You want to put it back just like it was.

    I suggested using the vinyl conditioner to lube the donut and make it easier to move and slip where you want it to be.

    I used LPS3 because it turns into a light grease afterwards. Some people have used PB Blaster but I think that is too light and not really a lube.

    After spraying several times put it all back together the way it came apart.

    Randy







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