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Overdrive turns off by itself???? 200 1986

Hi All,

I have an 86 240DL with 61,000 miles with an auto trans. Occasionally, the overdrive will turn off (yellow arrow light illuminates) all by itself. When this happens, it will not immidiately turn back on (light turn off) by pressing the overdrive button on the gear selector. This happens in city traffic as well as on the highway.

Is this most likely a OD relay issue???

Thanks








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    Overdrive turns off by itself???? 200 1986

    Thanks for all of your information and replies.

    A little more info about the yellow arrow... When it comes on (OD turns off) and I try to press the OD little button on the shift selector, there is no "click" felt or heard (usually when I press it, I will feel and hear a "click"). When the arrow goes back off by itself, I can press the little button and it resumes its normal operation (and feel/sound).

    Does this info point towards a wiring issue with the shifter even more??








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      Overdrive turns off by itself???? 200 1986

      I dunno, that sounds like the relay to me. I had pretty much identical symptoms when mine went bad. I removed the glove box and whacked the relay every time overdrive went off, which worked for the couple of days till I got around to resoldering it.








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      Overdrive turns off by itself???? 200 1986

      Yes it does. Check the white wires under the shifter cover where they feed from the stalk to harness plug. I bet you'll find one pinched or worn through the insulation and rubbing. While you are at it, pull the relay and resolder it if you can. If you want to keep it from jerking your car randomly into 3rd before you get time to fix the wires, you can release the white wire from terminal 86 on the relay socket, and let it hang until you repair the shifter wiring.
      --
      -K (hope springs eternal)








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    Overdrive turns off by itself???? 200 1986

    Hi Pablo,

    While we are all guessing likelihoods, I'll throw in my personal experience with the symptom. For me it was a crack in the solder at the relay's frame which is electrically the armature connected to terminal 87. The crack looked like the one shown in the first pic. Follow B.C.'s advice if you have the inclination to fix it yourself, as 5 minutes with a soldering iron beats pretty much any other initial approach.




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    Art Benstein near Baltimore

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    Overdrive turns off by itself???? 200 1986

    Unlike the usual symptom of no-overdrive due to bad solder connections, yours has the upshift/OD-bypass arrow coming on. That doesn't happen in the common scenario. Something related to the manual override button input is causing the relay to go into bypass mode. I vote for wiring in the shifter handle, or the push-button switch itself. This is a rare time when relay is low on the list.








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    I split my vote: wiring, as well as the relay .... 200 1986

    I've had three 240s all show the intermittant, spontaneous shift-down (out of OD) syndrome. Two of them, an '84 and a '93, did it for a bad relay. But one of them, an '83, had worn wiring (compromised insulation) underneath, near the transmissio's solenoid. Such wiring faults can be intermittant, just as a failing relay.
    It's really a matter of checking both possibilities -- easiest, though more costly (if you don't have a spare relay), being first a swap of the relay (because I don't enjoy crawling under the car around a greasy transmision :-).

    I should say, not for this problem but for the sake of any readers, that I also had another case of bad wiring in my other '93, but this was just under the shift cover (an unusual place, as most "worn wiring" is in the insulation and occurs under the car).
    There's a metal clip that holds the pair of white wires tight against the shift lever as the wires come out the tube that is the shift handle. This clip has a very sharp edge, and not only cut into the insulation but actually severed the conducters inside. The symptom of this was intermittant loss of control of the OD-lockout function. Sometimes the switch would work, and sometimes it wouldn't (actually, it usually didn't work when the shifter was in 2nd, whereas it usually worked when it's in Drive). What was happening was that, depending on the position of the shift lever, the thin (~24 or 25 ga.) conductors inside the wire insulation was either able to touch (make contact) or not.
    I had to solder together the severed ends and wrap them -- I also repositioned the wires so that they would be held in place (in spite of the shift lever's movements) without using the darned clip.








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    Overdrive turns off by itself????....I vote for the relay 200 1986

    Those relays are known for the solder joints on the little circuit board inside become brittle and cracking. After all, it's been like 21 years, right?

    If it were me, driving along in O/D and it drops out, I would probably whack the dash at the spot where the relay is behind it - just to the left of the glove box. That would probably do nothing, but I would feel a little better.

    Whan can be done is to get the relay out (pull glove box, look to the left below the center air vents). A large relay which may have a clip holding it to the rail that runs across the dash center. Takes a long-nose pliers or a long skinny flat tip screwdriver to finagle it out.

    On the bench, the relay can be opened up and the cover slid off. Reheat to re-flow the solder joints. Reinstall and test. Avoid overtightening the glove box screws. There was a great post here from Don Foster on this, with pics.

    Labor to R&R the relay is about the same as putting in a new one, and a lot cheaper.

    Note that if you go Junk Yard Diving for another, get the same color. They have changed over the years and differ between stick and autobox trannies.

    Good Luck,

    Bob

    :>)







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