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Well, I hunted up a very nice largely uncut California dashboard for my 122 paint/restoration project.
It came with the ignition assembly (armored cable cut and key busted off in the seized tumbler), lighter and ashtray chrome housing, a spare wiper switch, and fan switch. These things I did not really need, but it's nice to have a spare.
Note, that after careful attempts to un-stick the tumber, I had to drill the sucker out to get it to turn...
Anyway... a few questions:
1) The weird thing about this dash is that the passengers side grab handle is absent. I don't mean that it's missing, I mean that it was never installed. There is only a single hole and no evidence that the other was ever drilled in. Weirdly the one hole *was* occupied by a rheostat that appeared to be hooked to the courtesy/parcel shelf light. Is that original? I thought they all had grab-handles. Was the handle a later addition? What about this rheostat - an addition or original?
2) There's an odd metal tab with a "keyhole" in it welded to the middle of the dash, right under the temp control hole. It's spot-welded like everything else and was painted the same color as the original cream-white and I think it is original to the dash. My 1967 dashboard has no such tab and I've never noticed one on a photo of another amazon dash. What's this thing for??
3) Aesthetics. Realizing that I have a fairly rare uncut dashboard, I hesitate to drill the holes needed to mount my overdrive indicator light (blue/chrome 1800E style), my hazard light switch (also 1800E style), the red safety belt/e-brake light indicator, or my smiths tach pod. My car is hardly original, but the look I'm going for is "P220 GT" or 122S GT Wagon I want my lights and switches to look as original as I can make them. I'm not sure where the holes "should" be to make it look right. Anyone have nice photo of a late model 122 or 123 dashboard with the factory-stock options?
4) Dashpads. I am not spending $300.00+ on a new pad and my old one is partially reconstructed using non-expanding foam sealant and a black leather-like vinyl covering. I want to add that nice knee protector pad and could probably fabricate my own. I'm thinking that with the dash out, I could safely just spray the foam on the dashboard top and bottom, and then shape it to fit, before removing and covering with nauga-hide. Is there any reason why I should *NOT* spray foam directly on the metal??
5) Radio blanking plate. I've got a nice CD player, but I am *NOT* cutting out the radio area! where can I find a blanking plate for this thing? I've never had any luck on eBay.
Thanks as always!
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1967 P220 Amazon, 1972 145S, 1973 1800ES, 1977 245 DL, 1983 245 GL, 1986 745 GLE, 1990 745 GL, 1995 945.... Sedan? .... What's a Sedan?
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Well, since I first posted, I purchased that Troy, MO 1968 122 (130) with the tachpod and lower dashpad. I'll probably use that as a guide after I pick it up and when I get back upgrading the 220.
Agent_Strangelove was nice enough to sell me a radio blanking plate as well as provide me some photos and measurements for the late-style knobs and indicators.
As of today, I've drilled most of the holes and mocked up the switches, knobs, and, indicators. my self-built and covered dashpad looks ok, but hardly original. It will work, costs way less than $300.00 and looks not too bad, but I certainly made some errors.
So I wanted to spare some of the dashpad-building experiences in case any of you are considering this yourselves.
1) there are two commonly available canned foam options for building your own dashpad. Both come from the local home store and come as expanding (gaps and cracks) and non-expanding (windows and doors). The former does indeed expand, sticks to metal (but not permanently) and is a beige/white color. The later type does not expand sticks to metal and paint quite permanently, and is a yellow in color. Most importantly, the yellow foam is softer, will not "sand" very well and seems to be prone to voids, and warping if you remove it from the surface you sprayed it on.
My advice here is that if you are building a pad from scratch, use the expanding (gaps and cracks) stuff only!!!
2) Do not spray the yellow stuff directly on any painted metal. It bonds permanently and will not come back off without a serious fight. My top pad was sprayed right over the metal, and I deeply regret it... The white stuff sticks, but will come off cleaner and with much less trouble. It also warps less if you use a plastic or tape mask over your surface. BTW, I recommend blue painters tape under the foam.
3) When cured, you can cut the foam with a knife and the foam shapes ok, but the yellow stuff balls up under a coarse sanding, while the white shapes well. The end result with the yellow stuff is a bit rough and feels a bit uneven despite care. Sanding is absolutely necessary to get a smooth surface under your final upholstery.
4) Upholstery. I used a rubbery black shelf liner material when recovered my original pad. It stretched and folded ok and looked fine. Sadly it's no longer available. I settled for somewhat=stretchy black Naugahyde similar in color and texture to the material that the stock grab handles are covered in. It sells for about $15.00 a yard (it's plenty wide, so you don't need much). Trouble is, the stuff is not as stretchy as you'd like and it resists the high quality ($11.00 a can) 3M adhesive spray. Sure you can get it to bond to the foam, but you have to clamp it and that permanently crushes the foam. Plus if you want to "pillow" the covering, it does not behave right at all. It's especially troubling on the ends where you have to cut and glue the fabric to itself. That just does not work all that well.
This issue became a critical failure when I tried to cover my knee pad. The stuff was just to rigid, inflexible, adhesive-resistant to make a proper lower pad. I plan to try that part again after I get my '68 home.
My final conclusion/recommendations are these:
1 Mask off the surface to be foamed with blue painters tape.
2 Use the expanding-type foam only
3 Find a nice-looking but very stretchy covering material
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I preferred to use a MIG welder and angle grinder to make the most of the dash I had. It's quite simple to cut bits of metal to shape and weld in with close spaced tacks. Most of the time was spent filing the fill pieces and the holes to make them match well. It was a lot less effort to weld and paint the dash in situ, than it would have been to take it out. I sat a board on my lap to catch sparks and had a wet rag to cool each weld as I went. See the other two photos in the image gallery for before and after shots.
I recently fitted and OD and put an aftermarket illuminated pull switch in the cigarette lighter hole. No need for an extra hole in the dash and it looks the part.
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The previous owner of our '66 explained that the rheostat looking control is the front/rear fader for the speakers. There should have been a front speaker in the back of the parcel shelf on the outboard side.
Joe M in WV
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my 66 has that but i removed it and the map shelf as both are kind of ratty looking and i prefer the cleaner look without them anyway.
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That is kinda cool, but probably un-needed as I'm going to use a radio-blanking plate and hide my CD player/stereo under the dash and closer to the driver :)
Plus I want my grab-handle.
Thanks for the info!
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1967 P220 Amazon, 1972 145S, 1973 1800ES, 1977 245 DL, 1983 245 GL, 1986 745 GLE, 1990 745 GL, 1995 945.... Sedan? .... What's a Sedan?
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Have you thought about just putting/keeping the old
AM radio in for looks?
The reason i ask is that if parked and left for any amount of time,
the car would not be as tempting to break into. It's funny but my
friend had a delete plate in his 60's muscle car and it was broken
into 2 times until he put a cheaper period AM radio into the car.
I guess the thieves figured he had the CD player hidden so they
broke the window and found it anyway.
Just food for thought!
Cheers,
Karl
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66' 4-door 122s, 66' 2-door 122s (RIP), 67' 220, 77' 245 GT Grill, 78' 244, 87' 245, 88' 245 (RIP), 91' 245...and always looking for more!
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The poster claiming to be "Me" has given you more information than I ever could have.
Item #3: This is going to be a "custom" dash right? Just make it the way you want it.
As regards item #4, the only reason I can think of to not proceed is that someday you may want to do away with your homemade pad and replace it with a reproduction. You might want to use cling-wrap plastic to make removal easier?
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Mr. Shannon DeWolfe -- (I've taken to using Mr. because my name tends to mislead folks on the WWW. I am a 51 year old fat man ;-) -- KD5QBL
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Well... I've found that this stuff peels away from the metal fairly easily. It might destroy my nice new blue paint job, however...
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1967 P220 Amazon, 1972 145S, 1973 1800ES, 1977 245 DL, 1983 245 GL, 1986 745 GLE, 1990 745 GL, 1995 945.... Sedan? .... What's a Sedan?
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posted by
someone claiming to be Me
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Mon Jun 11 20:47 CST 2007 [ RELATED]
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1) - This suggests, that the dasboard is from earlier than 1965 model
(grabhandle was introduced in 1965 models - no, no rheostats here, a PO installation)
2) - This suggests, that the dashboard is from a 1964 or earlier
(keyhole metal tab - is there for holding/locking the little chain that pulls the radiator-blind)
3) - Should be very easy to find on the Internet without a lot of effort.
4) - No comments.
5) - What color-code do you want it to be?
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