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Mirror Woes 120-130



I bought a new OE mirror to install on the passenger side of my 67 122. I measured the location of the drivers side mirror which is on the door below the wing window, drilled and installed the new mirror to match, only to find out the new mirror does not adjust inward enough to see down the line of the car. Has anyone else run into this problem, or have a cure?








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    Hi

    I had the same problem with the mirrors on my 66 4 door 121. I had fitted two replacement doors and they were sprayed before i realised the position of the mirrors stop the quarter lights opening. My car is a rhd, and my N/S mirror is as close to the quarterlight as possible.

    I had no hope with the standard mirror head so I purchased two heads from cvi in sweden which give a greater angle of view. these are ok but it is tricky to set them. I too have them set not showing the side of the car, but so I can see cars overtaking on the inside as they like to do here in the uk!

    I use the mirrors more since i retro fitted headrests.








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    The majority of mirrors on vehicles today are not properly adjusted.

    When you sit in the seat, what you see in the side mirror SHOULD NOT be the same as what is in your internal mirror except for say a headlight at the inside of the side mirror and the same headlight at the outside of the internal mirror.

    If you see the side of the car in the outside mirror, you are not covering the blind spot just behind your shoulder.

    They know this in Europe and other parts of the world. In the US, it is just not taught or ignored.

    If the mirrors are adjusted correctly, and the driver is aware of what vehicles are where around the vehicle, a scan from inside mirror to front to outside mirror to quick glance over the shoulder then forward insures that no meeting of two vehicle will occur. All takes less than a second.

    IMOP, the mount is correctly placed for maximum safety, your use of the mirror is incorrect. Unless you have a right side mirror on the left.

    Duane








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      Duane,

      Interesting perspective on the use of mirrors here in N America vs Europe. I read your response twice before I understood your point. The issue remains,can I teach this old dog to use the mirrors in the manner you speak of, or not.

      Thanks








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        Surprisingly enough, this old dog learned this trick not more than five years ago. I had driven trucks before and was used to seeing the rear corners in the mirrors and dealt with the blind spot just outside the rear tractor wheels. Just thought it transfered to autos and was used to looking in the blind spot.

        This changed when I had to drive one of the company cars, which had a huge B pillar that blocked the usual glance over the shoulder. American Car Maker shall remain unnamed. Do not argue with a $99 per year unlimited milage lease.

        About that time, a friend who had spent a lot of time in Europe stopped by and in idle conversation bitching about autos in general, he showed me how to set the mirrors to cover the blind spot.

        From trucking, it came natural to know what vehicle was where around me, and after about a week, it is now natural to "verify" every once in a while that the car coming up from behind left does show its same headlight in both mirrors at the same time.

        Easy set up method. In your driveway, set the inside mirror to show you what is directly behind centered over the trunk deck.

        Look in the left corner of the mirror and identify what you see, even looking out the door to verify. A tree, mailbox, something easliy identified and about that thin. If necessary, adjust the auto by swing it left or right slightly to place the object only in the left corner. Adjust the outside mirror to see the same object only on the inside. If you then look at what is at the outer edge of the mirror, you will find you do not have to turn your head very far at all to see it over your shoulder.

        By the way, this also translates to the right side as well.

        Now comes the hard part for about a week or so. You have to trust your setup, and concentrate every once in a while "when traffic allows" to watch someone overtaking you move through both mirrors. I even check alignment when parked since it is easy once you know the setup.

        As an added bonus, some vehicles mirrors when adjusted this way allow you to see the tail end in the side mirror while with a 90 degree glance to the left you see the front of the same car. Ie in the 90 245 this happens, the 85 245 does not. 85 has as a smaller mirror.

        Once you are used to the set up, you will wonder how you ever drove with them any other way. IMOP.

        Duane








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          I like the logic there... and of course, it makes perfect sence.

          But... Mirrors change in their adjustment.. especially when attached to doors that get slammed, bumped into by pedestrians (hopefully when the car is parked), trees jump out.. you know.

          So, always being able to see the rear corner of the car in the mirror allows me to know it hasn't changed adjustment. For the rest of the blind spot, I've really grown to like the little stick-on convex mirrors that sticks to what's already there.. takes a little getting used to.. since vehicles in there look like they are a mile away, when they are actually even with your rear axle...

          But as you say.. you get used to it.

          As for the problem at hand that started this thread... I can't say. Any time I've installed a mirror, I size it up first to see if it will work ok... rather than just measuring and drilling. have you compared your new mirror to an original to confirm that it's arm is the same length, same angle.. etc? Mirror itself same size?

          Can you rotate the mirror itself 180°? Would that make a difference?

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          -Matt I ♥ my ♂








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    Same problem on our '69. Moved the arm to the point where the mirror almost contacts the vent window and it sorta works. If you lean over to the right a bit, one can see the cars in the lane to the right of you reasonably well. I'm thinking of one of those round, convex stick-on mirrors, but as Repairman Jack says, shoulder checking works well in these cars.

    Cheers,

    Barry








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    Same problem on my 67 and my 68, no real cure aside from moving the mirror mount or by really bending it in. repeatedly...

    I tend to think of it as an accessory for balance and symmetry than as a useful mirror. These cars have almost no blindspot so I just look around.







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