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Problem that REFUSES to go away--stalling out etc.--Puzzler! 140-160 1972

I've posted on this matter before, and after two years of tinkering and replacing parts, it just won't go away...once more, now, to see if the holiday season has brought any new ideas to my friends at Brickboard!

My low-miles '72 164e runs great, idles fine, and gets average mileage. Here is what it does, and does reliably, in a very specific set of circumstances that do NOT depend on weather, grade of gasoline, or Rudy Giuliani's standing in the polls: After cruising at high speeds (e.g. on an interstate) and then drastically reducing speeds (e.g. exiting the interstate, coming to a stoplight on the ramp, and entering a 35 mph zone) it stutters and stalls in neutral.

This happens ONLY after the change in speeds. When driving around town at speeds under 50, the stalling issue never arises.

Also adding to the puzzle, the car seems to "recover" after about 20 minutes when the stalling-after-high-speed issue occurs. It's as though it is a runner that catches his breath, and whose heart rate comes back down after a marathon.

The injectors are all in fine condition and have new seals. The pressure sensor was the latest replacement. The car is on its 3rd ECU. The points are new.

Any ideas? Or should I resort to Click and Clack?!?!








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    Problem that REFUSES to go away--stalling out etc.--Puzzler! 140-160 1972

    Dont Know what you have done or not done sounds like a lot of stuph that has not panned out.. I have had a simmilar problem with a 71 160... I ended up dropping the fuel tank to find it full of rust and misl... If you have not done this it is time and will more than likely be the problem,,, I have also had to do this same thing to several 140s i have had.and one of the manny 240's. only have had the one 160, If you have allredy done this sorry And I hope yopu get it figured out...


    Thomas.......... 208-573-2925








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    Problem that REFUSES to go away--stalling out etc.--Puzzler! 140-160 1972

    Look a the injector holders. Each should have two phenolic washers on the bolt holding the mount to the head, one between the mount and the head, and the other between the mount and the bolt cap. Those provide thermal insulation that keeps fuel from vaporizing in the injectors, which seems to occur most often exactly in the situation you describe. They are often broken, lost or discarded when the seals are changed.

    If you don't have these, try adding them. You will also need to renew the large O-rings under the mounts, as the ones on there will have been over-compressed due to the thickness of the lower phenolic washer being missing.








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    Problem that REFUSES to go away--stalling out etc.--Puzzler! 140-160 1972

    It could be spark plug temperature rating. Try going to a hotter plug (but not to the maximum) especially if you have a lot of miles on it and therefor maybe a wee bit lower compression value. When you come off the highway you are at a different temperature soak then 20 minutes later your motor temp soak has equilabrated to a stop and go traffic value. This is just a hunch but easy to try! Vacuum leaks are really likely but you've been through that, right? ;)
    --
    Genesis 7:11








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    Problem that REFUSES to go away--stalling out etc.--Puzzler! 140-160 1972

    Howdy,

    This is interesting:

    ...The throttle valve switch is mounted on the throttle housing. This switch signals the control unit of throttle position. During deceleration, above 1500 RPM, throttle switch cuts fuel supply off and below 900 RPM, fuel supply is turned on.

    What if it is sticking? It is worth the investigation.

    I found that here:
    http://www.icbm.org/erkson/ttt/engine/fuel_injection/d-jet.html

    sd








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    Problem that REFUSES to go away--stalling out etc.--Puzzler! 140-160 1972

    Just a stab in the dark, perhaps the centrifugal advance or vacuum advance on the distributor is dirty/damaged and gets stuck when you had been driving with a wide open throttle? Perhaps the distributor vacuum hose collapses under high vacuum and takes a while to recover?

    Being an "E" (D-Jet FI), the manifold pressure sensor usually fails with a leaking diaphragm and perhaps yours have an intermittent leak which develops when suddenly closing the throttle. Or the throttle position sensor is dirty and gets stuck when wide open for a while.

    Sometimes you get funny faults, for a while my car would suddenly stutter and die after starting in the morning, then start up fine after a minute or two and be fine all day 'till the next day. That turned out to be the distributor cap centre electrode that was broken off and in the morning the car would die when condensation created a leakage path for the high voltage, disappearing with a few minutes heat soak.








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    --stalling out etc.--Puzzler! - Vacuum leak? 140-160 1972

    For later cars with Bosch K-jetronic, the type of stalling that you described was invariably (99% of the time) caused by a vacuum leak. Hoses were brittle, the oil fill cap gasket was worn, the gas cap was loose, the dip stick O-ring gone, etc. It was frustrating to track down.








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    Problem that REFUSES to go away--stalling out etc.--Puzzler! 140-160 1972

    The intermittent weak idle can sometimes be the hoses that go to and from the auxiliary air valve, and the AC solenoid valve, if you still have it. They get hard over time and don't conform as they should. They'll shift under braking and very low manifold pressures - like backing off at high RPM, and cause the weak idle.








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    Problem that REFUSES to go away--stalling out etc.--Puzzler! 140-160 1972

    Sounds temperature-related and might have something to do with the temp sensors
    also. I'd check both of them and watch the temp gauge. If you drive fast for
    a while and suddenly slow down your temp goes up because the cooling system's
    efficiency is related to water pump speed but the engine heat lags behind
    so when you slow down the engine is still hot from running fast and it takes
    the cooling system a while to catch up. Meanwhile if the D-jet thinks it is
    very hot it will make the mixture lean, possibly too lean to start.
    On the other hand if you have a sensor problem it might think that the engine
    is cold and may run it so rich that it floods instead of starting.
    I guess you have double checked ALL the FI ground connections....
    --
    George Downs, Bartlesville, Heart of the USA!







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