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not there now. Maybe it was a scam (0 feedback seller), maybe it was a change of heart, but I'd swear that there was a dark green 123GT with fender mirrors, the proper steering wheel, OD indicator, VIN, and front fog lights... Was listed at $3,500 with only one bid. Now it's gone, I can't find my bookmark to it nor does it appear in a search...
Did anyone else see it? It looked just like my own 130, except it was a 123 and lacked the nose chrome...
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It would be very hard to fake a 123GT. Besides all the differences and extras (that are very hard to find, while some are impossible to find) to a 123GT, the type number, year letter and chassis numbers (i.e. 133351 or 133352Pxxxxxx is punched into the body of the car just above the heater. The ID plate can be replaced (again, where would you get one from since those cars are very rare) but you would have to punch the number on the body too. This is the first item to look at when you are inspecting a car that might be a GT. Hope this helps.
The said car is now on the 123GT register.
http://volvo1800-120club.com/123gt.htm
George
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Here is the link or just search using "123gt"
popped right up
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Volvo-123Gt-1968-Volvo-123Gt-classic-2dr-sedan_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6458QQihZ016QQitemZ260231421316QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
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The car brought $4700 on eBay, but the seller apparently didn't honor the sale. The would-be eBay buyer ain't happy, needless to say. He left the following negative feedback within a few hours of auction's end:
"I won the auction. Seller sold the car to someone else for more money."
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Gary L - 1971 142E ITB racer, 73 1800ES, 02 S60 T5
BlueBrick Racing
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Well, with 0 feedback, a negative (-1) won't matter much. As long as eBay gets their sellers' fees, I doubt they will care much.
If I had not just picked up a Volvo Bahco wrench for $13.00, I'd be about to give up on that place entirely.
The seller did not seem to be all that good with english. I think the whole things stinks.
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This car was actually purchased by a Brickboard member. The (apparently inexperienced) seller went wrong in a couple of different ways. Firstly. a 24 hr auction is nuts unless you're selling high volume stuff ($9.99 auto-darkening welding helmets, for instance). Secondly, he should have said the vehicle was listed for sale locally and he reserved the right to end the auction early if the car sold. Thirdly, he didn't end the auction; he let it run to its conclusion. As mentioned, he'll now get to pay eBay listing and selling commissions.
The only thing that stinks about the whole deal is the seller's apparent lack of experience with eBay protocol...
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Dale
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I'm glad that a BB member saved that little gem - especially if it was not a certain scandinavian guy who would want to strip it and sell it. There's no problem with that. Who did get it BTW?
As far as eBay... That's a pretty *SERIOUS* seller's error.
I've seen several with the caveat you mention before. Not ending the auction when the car was already sold is downright criminal and is a perfect example of what is wrong with eBay.
Someone ponied up a $4,700.00 offer and won, and was then told the car was already sold to someone else? It still stinks. What would have happened if the auction ended with a higher price than our BB member offered? Would the seller have told our forum buddy to get stuffed and sold it to the eBay bidder after all?
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Looks to have some potential.
It appears to be a '67 FWIW.
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Tom - '60 544, '68 220S, '70 145S, '86 745T, '06 Mazda MPV
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"It appears to be a '67 FWIW."
The "P" at the end of the Type designator says otherwise. Also note - the "3" in the 4th position of the Type designator indicates "Export model", not "US Export Model". This might explain why the car wasn't registered in the US until over a year after it was produced... in other words, this car may have been imported as a used car (whether it truly was "used" or not).
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Gary L - 1971 142E ITB racer, 73 1800ES, 02 S60 T5
BlueBrick Racing
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I guess the difference between the "Export model not US Export Model" would explain the lack of head restraints, side reflectors, soft switch knobs, underdash pad, door handles etc., right?
In other words these features may have been required in '68 only in the US?
Does the serial number tag also indicate a 123GT somehow?
It looks like a nice car, but I was wondering if it is just a "badge engineered" '67 122. Hmmm, I guess the ID plate could have been switched too....
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Tom - '60 544, '68 220S, '70 145S, '86 745T, '06 Mazda MPV
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"I guess the difference between the "Export model not US Export Model" would explain the lack of head restraints, side reflectors, soft switch knobs, underdash pad, door handles etc., right?"
Mostly true... but FWIW there were some '68 US Exports that did not have all of the US-only features you mention. I personally bought a new '68 in April of that year that did not have side markers or wobbly knobs. The key here was date of manufacture, not the model year. The federally mandated stuff, as I recall, applied to cars born on or after Jan 1, 1968. Obviously, there were a lot of '68 model year 122's produced before that date.
In any case, if this one is not a legitimate GT, I would be surprised. I see absolutely nothing that says it ain't, and a lot of stuff that says it is, not the least of which would be the 5314 "S" code on the ID plate. Yes, I know... you could switch the plate too, but then that makes every 123GT in the entire world a possible fake, doesn't it? Since there are no production records, AFAIK there is no way to positively distinguish the real thing from the wannabee's.
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Gary L - 1971 142E ITB racer, 73 1800ES, 02 S60 T5
BlueBrick Racing
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Interesting.
I'll have to take a look at the serial number of my dad's 122.
I know he took delivery of it in Dec. 1967 and it had the "68" features I was referring to. But yours was after that and didn't have them...weird.
Is there a resource to pinpoint the date of manufacture?
Wow, I'm getting way too caught up in details!
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Tom - '60 544, '68 220S, '70 145S, '86 745T, '06 Mazda MPV
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My '68 sat on the showroom for quite a while before I bought it. For starters, it was purchased in a market that was not exactly a hotbed of Volvo activity - Wichita, Kansas. :)
To top it off, Volvo was sort of a sideline at this particular dealership, as they primarily sold British sports cars... MG, Triumph, Austin-Healey and Jaguar were their bread and butter.
Sorry, I don't have the chassis number for mine. FWIW, according to VLV the chassis number range for the '68 2-door was 279900 to 312499.
Here's a picture, taken a few days after I bought it.
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Gary L - 1971 142E ITB racer, 73 1800ES, 02 S60 T5
BlueBrick Racing
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This appears to be the real thing. The plate verifies this - 133351 LHD P is for 68 production. I own a RHD late 67 in Australai with only approx 30 left.
As stated you can easily change stearing wheel, tacho etc but the wiring loom and extra relays in the engine bay would be a little although not impossible to change. The fender mirrors appear to be original and near impossible to track down
now. Climate control switches have the flat look which changed in 68 but the window handle crank is still the older flat shape. The round crank style came in 69. As far as the head rests they were not compulsory until 1970 although the seat frames are set up to accept the headrests and are a great addition for safety and not all that difficult to modify. Not sure about the knee rests/side reflectors as they were only a requirement for US market but sure of the date. Check out the attached website for more details.
http://www.volvoamazonpictures.se/
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I was able to inspect the car as it was being sold here in Arizona. With the car were documents verifying its 2-owner history. There is a plastic Volvo Owner Indenfication Card for the first owner, dated 11-1-1967, and issued in Florida. He must have moved out to Arizona shortly thereafter, because there is an old Arizona title dated 11-3-1969. He drove it alot: it had 99,600 miles on it by March 1976. The car hit something in February 1977, damaging the right front wing, nose and hood (but not the frame). Repair estimates at the time note the mileage of 108,233. More records show he was still driving it in January 1978, when a clutch was installed at 116,600 miles. Then, mysteriously, the car isn't driven anymore.
The second owner, bought the car in December 2005. The car was re-registered with and actual mileage recorded on the title of 117,000. From this owner's maintenance records, it looks like he did a lot to get it running again during 2006 and 2007: brakes, tyres, fuel system, cooling system. For whatever reason, he lost interest, and the car was put up for sale a few weeks ago.
It is indeed a 1968 123GT. The ID tag reads Type 133351 P. Colour 94 (dark green). Upholstery 425-552 (tan). S-5314,5343. The Vin # is consistent with range of numbers for this model. It has the fully reclining seats, overdrive, driving light brackets (the correct lights are gone, probably ruined in the accident), all the factory wiring, switches and relays for the driving lights, screw holes in the trunk and engine compartment where the courtesy lights used to be, the correct 2 horns, the right steering wheel (the plastic center, cracked, was in the ashtray), and all the right badges (some in a little bag along with a driving light cover in a box in the trunk.
Unfortunately, the PO allowed the brake booster to be removed as part of his efforts to make the car roadworthy after its long hibernation. As previously noted the tach is gone and the dash recovered.
Offsetting this, the car is in orginal condition, with orginal paint, interior, and drivetrain. And because its been here in the desert all its life, it is absolutely rust free (with the single exception of the spot on the right wing, which I suspect was the result of the repair job in 1977).
Also with the car was the owners manual, including a 123GT "Supplement to Instruction Book", factory manuals, an SU tuning manual and SU tool kit, maintenance records, and various little notes and remarks written by the first owner in the books. It's obvious he loved the car and loved to drive it.
I guess you could label this the proverbial barn find...
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I understand the "P" designation makes it a 1968 model. Regardging the export question, I read that Type 133351 was Left Hand Drive, whereas Type 133352 was Right Hand Drive (?).
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"...I read that Type 133351 was Left Hand Drive, whereas Type 133352 was Right Hand Drive (?)."
That's the way I read it.
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Gary L - 1971 142E ITB racer, 73 1800ES, 02 S60 T5
BlueBrick Racing
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Too bad it is a 68. The later ones (mighty few, as nearly as I can tell)
came with the brand new B20B engine.
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George Downs, Bartlesville, Heart of the USA!
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posted by
someone claiming to be MWM
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Wed Apr 23 04:25 CST 2008 [ RELATED]
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The only ones I've seen had the dash mounted tach. This one doesn't. Missing GT Emblem from horn button too.
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If it ever had a tach, any sign of it would be gone, since the dash has apparently been recovered.
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Gary L - 1971 142E ITB racer, 73 1800ES, 02 S60 T5
BlueBrick Racing
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Try looking for item 260231421316.
It's still there in my ebay
Gary
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It's back now: evilbay item #260231421316.
Best,
Cameron
Rose City
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Hmmmm...I have the correct dash for that car...in the correct color...
Looks somewhat legit as the seller also has a 50's Ford p/u listed. In one of the pictures of the p/u you can see the Volvo in the background...
Why on earth would someone put a 123GT on eBay in a 24 hr auction? Doesn't make sense to me anyways...
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Dale
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Howdy, I'm looking for a dash pad/cover like that. Any chance you want to part with it?
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The dash pad itself is not very pretty. It is, however, an untouched 123GT complete dash assembly...
IPD has a limited quantity of NOS 123GT dash pads if you feel like parting with something like $375...
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Dale
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ipd's dash pads aren't NOS - they're selling the pads that are currently being manufactured.
Best,
Cameron
Rose City
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Interesting. Their wording is somewhat vague on that then...
"We're pleased and very excited to carry these original dash pads for 544, 122 and 1800 models. This is NOT a cover! This is the Original Equipment dash pad, imported from Sweden and are a MUST for the perfect restoration. Actually, we've never seen better."
I suppose it doesn't say New Old Stock anywhere though...
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Dale
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Dale, by "dash assembly", do you mean gauges, etc? In particular, the 123GT tach? I'm searching for that too.
Thanks
Bill
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It's complete. Speedo, gauges, switches and the tach...
I pulled it from a '67 123GT at the local wrecker.
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