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No A/C help in the Bentley manual 200 1989

I absolutely love my Bentley manual. Worth every penny. But I just discover that the Bentley does not cover A/C repairs. The Bentley states that A/C work is not a do it yourself operation and advises to get professional help. I had my system evacuated so I can work on it without harming the environment. I plan on replacing parts then let the A/C guys do the rest. Any tips on Expansion Valve replacement ??? I also plan to replace the condenser, drier/receiver, and seals but those "look" to be pretty straight forward. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Joseph








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    No A/C help in the Bentley manual 200 1989

    About the best you will do on AC is the old green manuals.

    On the expansion valve you remove the front seat and the glove box. Then the side panel of the instrument cluster. You will have to dig out all the butyl to get to the valve, wear glove or you will be wearing it. You will need two good open end wrenches do not remember the size but I had them in the tool box 17mm and 15mm comes to mind, but not sure. There is a place for a wrench to hold the valve in place when you loosen the nut. Hold the evaporator side firmly and loosen the nuts. There is a spring shaped thermocouple that is held onto the line up in the condenser unit. You will need to pop or gently pry that loose. Keep the clip and get ready for reuse. Installation is the opposite of removal. I would pull the dash top to change out the condenser. Reused the old one in my 86 when I did the conversion and new compressor. If you remove the dryer, take the hoses off the compressor and take out the expansion valve you can use cleaner and shop air to clean out all the lines. I was surprised by the brown gunk that came out, used the stuff Auto Zone sells for the cleaner. Came with this stopper that you can use to plug off one end when you spray in the cleaner and blow out the junk. Watch the o rings when you install the new evaporator onto the lines. Add insulation to the lines on and around the evaporator to prevent moisture from accumulating and dripping on the carpet.

    Wait until the last minute to put the dryer on, remove the old low pressure switch and add the recommended amount of oil (should tell you on the paperwork, my last one was 1 oz) before you tighten on the switch and add the lines back on. The same size o ring fits the dryer and the expansion valve so get at least four of those. You want the entire system closed before you install the new dryer. That is to keep excess moisture out it.

    If you are going with R12/F12 you can leave the compressor oil alone. If you are reusing the old R12 compressor but converting to R134 you want to pull off the compressor and drain the oil. Measure the amount when you do, that is the amount plus maybe a 1/2 oz more you want to add back. I would use PAG 40 for a R134 system unless you do not want to drain the compressor. It works much better than Ester with R134. I would pour in some PAG and rotate the front of the compressor. Then pour all of that out to get as much of the old oil out as possible before adding the new PAG. I had a new compressor so just added the amount of oil called out on the paper work. Too much oil will degrade system performance.

    The purpose of the vacuum on R134 is to check for leaks so you do not have to open the system back up and waste coolant. If you are going back with R12 that is really important for both moisture removal and making sure the system is good and tight.

    You will need just a touch over 3 cans of 12 oz R12 or R134. You use the 80% rule when you fill a converted system with either of those coolants. Should be 45.8 Oz if you go back with R12.

    Doing the fill you will need to jumper the low pressure switch or move the connector down under the AMM so that the switch is bypassed. I go with the little jumper, hate digging around in there under the AMM, hooking up the fill valves is bad enough. Hook up the gauges with the valves closed and crank the car. Crank the knob full CW to the Blue. After a few seconds delay the compressor will start growling at you, the clutch makes a click when it pulls in. Let the compressor run for a minute or so to move oil and build up a little pressure before you open the low side fill valve. You do not want excess pressure in the low side. It is possible to ruin a compressor per what you read. So low and slow, most people say keep your fill pressure under 40 PSI. About 1/2 way into can number two you should feel cool air coming out of the vents. When you get to the end of can three stop and let the system run for a couple of minutes with the valves shut and watch the pressures. R12 runs lower on the high side than F12 or R134. The best pressure setting for my 240 running R134 seems to be at temps around 90F a pressure near 35 on the low and 220 on the high. Reached those numbers by raising and lowering pressure and driving the car with a kitchen thermometer in the middle vent. There is low 40 degree air coming out of the vents at highway speeds. What you do not want to do is get the low side pressure much above 38 PSI, the system performance drops off dramatically when the pressure gets too high.

    You will want to road test the AC to see how well it is working. There is just not enough air moving across the evaporator when you are sitting at idle.

    I have added a pusher fan off of a 92 model and a Tropical Fan Clutch (AKA the swamp cooler) and both have really helped with performance at lower speeds.

    Good Luck, hope this helps, and get your cool on.

    Paul








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      No A/C help in the Bentley manual 200 1989

      "On the expansion valve you remove the front seat and the glove box. Then the side panel of the instrument cluster."

      I guess it located on passage side and behined the firewal.Right?

      And it should be located on the evaperater inlet.

      I found one picture as below, but did not found the expansion valve.

      Could you clarify it a little bit?

      I ask because I am planning to replace the expansion value recently and re-flush and re-charge the whole system with R12 or R22. I will just replace the expansion value and dryer and all of O-ring.

      This will just cost about 120 bucks (expansion valve, dryer, O-ring set,flush fluid,4 bottles of R12 or R22, ) but blow ICE cool :-)

      thanks.

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        No A/C help in the Bentley manual 200 1989

        This picture does not appear to be on a system with an expansion valve. The expansion valve should not be insulated, and would have a small connection at the bottom of the lower bent pipe for the equalizing line. Also the capillary tube for the AC control goes to the lower pipe inder the insulation, along with the thermostatic element of the expansion valve - niether can bee seen in the photo. This looks more like the setup on my '91 after they switched to an orifice tube system. If yours was converted to this type system the orifice tube could very well br plugged.

        BTW, I never needed to remove the front seat to pull the expansion vallve or the evaporator -- just the glove box.








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      No A/C help in the Bentley manual 200 1989

      WOW,

      Thank You for such a good response.

      To my surprise my 240 was converted to R134A by someone else. My A/C guy put 2 pounds of R134A in the system but could barely get it moving. He did get the compressor pumping but said that there is a restriction somewhere in the system not letting it circulate.

      I'm thinking (hoping) that if I replace the condenser, drier, clean out the hoses, and replace the seals I might be back in business. What are the chances that restriction could be in the expansion valve?

      Thanks again for your help.

      Joseph








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        No A/C help in the Bentley manual 200 1989

        I would bet you that the problem is the expansion valve then. The symptom is when adding coolant the pressure suddenly shoots way up. The condenser is most often replaced because of coolant leaks from external corrosion not internal blockage.

        You most likely just need a new expansion valve and a dryer and four new orings less than $50. After replacing all that to get a vacuum pulled and if there were no leaks start adding coolant.

        Please have the system discharged before you start taking things apart. You do not need anything flying into your eyes or get a lung full of that oil.

        Sounds like you may be really close to cool.

        Regards,

        Paul







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