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On the weekend, I bought a pair of used anti-swaybars from the wreckers. The front is allegedly 27mm solid and the rear 23mm. The wrecker was kind enough to include the old poly bushings and brackets.
Having put in just the front bar, the difference its made to the cornering capability of the wagon is simply quite amazing.
Thing is, I wasn't too unhappy with the degree of roll in my wagon to begin with (the PO put in newish Bilstein TC shocks in the front which helps a lot). But the new flat cornering ability and overall stability in a straight line is simply sensational. Sure beats the improvement made to my 850 T-5 when it got oversized bars put in.
Can't wait to put in the rear bar in a few days time. I am even thinking of just leaving the rear alone for a while.
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I put iPd sways in over the summer and I just don't feel the huge difference everyone else seems to get. I don't know if it's because I had done shocks and struts about a year earlier or if it's because my rear springs sag.
For me the biggest difference was getting boge turbo gas struts. My brick used to dive into exit ramps and understeer like crazy. the old struts were toast and the new ones made a huge difference. The new anti-sways are like icing on the cake, but didn't make as big a difference as I expected.
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'92 245, Black & Tan, Virgo Mags, 140K
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i put poly endlink bushings on mine with bilstein tourings and feel a ton stiffer over stock
unbelieveable how soft and squishy the stock endlink bushings are
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rich - '85 244DL with 323k
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Same here, Jay. Swaybars are not the be-all end-all of handling.
However, consider that you and I went from a 21mm front bar to 25mm, whereas the above poster probably went from 19mm to 27mm. I'm sure it made a bigger difference, but for my money, I'd rather have much stiffer springs and the original sway bars back on.
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I've been having fun tweeking the Volvo 245 in the game Gran Turismo 4 for the PlayStation 2. You can test stiffer springs and thicker sways virtually, then test it on the track. It's kinda funny. Can't believe they included that car in the game.
I think my weak link is my rear springs. Once I get new springs, or go with a full set of sport springs, then it'll be done... But that's what I told my wife 3 modifications ago...
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For versatility, I recommend overload springs. Keep the hauling ability and curb clearance, but with better handling.
I was impressed with my spring upgrade to HD fronts and wagon springs rear (on my sedan). I also said it was the last thing I'd do to the car, but now I really want some 25mm spacers to move my wheels out for better looks and stability. That will be the last thing I do to the car, I swear...
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Be very careful just driving with a big front bar and a stock rear as the car will have a tendency to go straight in harsh turns. The new front bar is probably a 25 and the rear is a 23. Installing the 23 in the rear will definitely help balance the car out without producing oversteer.
jorrell
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92 245 250K miles, IPD'd to the hilt, 06 XC70, 00 Eclipse custom Turbo setup...currently taking names and kicking reputations!
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Gentlemen, the results of the front and rear swaybar upgrade is quite breathtaking. This must be the flattest cornering vehicle I have ever driven. I never thought I'd say that of a 240 wagon.
The front is indeed 27mm and the rear 23mm. These are Aussie made bars from an outfit in Sydney - http://www.k-mac.com who also made the custom bars for my 850. (Really should have gone with a bigger one in the rear for that FWD car.)
Now to save up some money for new rear dampers (shocks). I am grateful that the rears are practically dead since it made removal and installation of that long bolt that connects to the bar so much easier.
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re: "...The new front bar is probably a 25 and the rear is a 23...."
Just a teensie (1 mm) detail suggestion -- IPD's bars (like the ones on my cars) are 25 and 22 mm, so it's more probably a 22mm in the rear.
Alternatively, they also sell a 25/25 kit for extreme cases (lowered cars), but there's a big difference there, and it's definitely not for otherwise standard-sprung cars.
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Thanks Jorell, I did think about that. The rear 23mm bar goes in tonight.
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What are the Stock Sizes in the 200? specifically my '89.
I would love to stumble onto some larger bars. There has been many posts on the improved cornering.
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'75 Jeep CJ5 345Hp ChevyPwrd, two motorcycles, '85 Pickup: The '89 Volvo is the newest vehicle I own. it wasn't Volvos safety , it was Longevity that sold me http://home.no.net/ebrox/Tony's%20cars.htm
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The stock sways on my '86 wagon were 19/17. I put on the IPD 25/22 just over a year ago and they sure made a world of difference.
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1986 Volvo 245
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I think in my 1990 -240 wagon they were 19 mm in front and a meager 14-15 mm in rear (Sedan has bigger rear bar).
I do not think that in 89 sedan bars will be more than 21mm front 19mm rear.
I had replaced them with 78 turbo's 23mm front and 19 in rear. Even they made a big difference.
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DD-1990 240 DL SW M47II FI 3.1 234 K miles
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The Stock Sway bars on Turbos were bigger? So I'm hunting for a Turbo Brick at the JunkYard...true?
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'75 Jeep CJ5 345Hp ChevyPwrd, two motorcycles, '85 Pickup: The '89 Volvo is the newest vehicle I own. it wasn't Volvos safety , it was Longevity that sold me http://home.no.net/ebrox/Tony's%20cars.htm
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Yes that's right. I was able to locate my original post when I changed bars
http://www.brickboard.com/RWD/index.htm?id=1094112&show_all=2
200 Series Anti-Sway Bar Sizes (North American Models) :
25.4 mm front bar, 23 mm rear bar - IPD 240/260 Series Anti-Sway Bar Kit
25.4 mm front bar, 25 mm rear bar - IPD 240/260 Series (Lowered)
23.0 mm front bar, 21 mm rear bar - 240 Turbo (82-85)
23.0 mm front bar, 16 mm rear bar - 245 Turbo (per factory window sticker)
21.0 mm front bar, 23 mm rear bar - 242GT (1979-81?)
19.5 mm front bar, 19 mm (16mm - wagons) rear bar - 240/260 Series 1979-on
18.0 mm front bar, 16 mm (none - wagons) rear bar - 240/260 Series 1975-78
The '78 GT should have skinny bars.
The '79 GT should have 21mm front bar, 23mm rear bar, and 30-35% stiffer R-Sport front springs. The increased front spring rate makes up for the smaller front bar.
The '80 GT should have 23mm front and 21mm rear. This would become the GLT/Turbo suspension package for '81-
Regards
Gopesh
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DD-1990 240 DL SW M47II FI 3.1 234 K miles
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Perfect. Thanks for all this info.
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'75 Jeep CJ5 345Hp ChevyPwrd, two motorcycles, '85 Pickup: The '89 Volvo is the newest vehicle I own. it wasn't Volvos safety , it was Longevity that sold me http://home.no.net/ebrox/Tony's%20cars.htm
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19.5 mm front bar, 19 mm (16mm - wagons) rear bar - 240/260 Series 1979-on is incorrect. It should read:
19.5 mm front bar, 19 mm (16mm - wagons) rear bar - 240/260 Series 1979-91
21 mm front bar, 19 mm rear bar - 240 Series 1992-93
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