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off-topic question (isuzu trooper ii) 200 1990

Hi guys, I was at my parents' house this weekend and i decided to resurrect my 240 after a long dead winter. Well it's running strong now but i noticed that their 2001 trooper that i was planning to use as a booster for a jumpstart is no longer starting.

Battery is good, engine cranks, and it fires up if i spray starting fluid. Then the engine stays on for 10 seconds during which time i can use the gas pedal to deliver more fuel and rev the engine. But then it shuts off. Why?








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    off-topic question (isuzu trooper ii) 200 1990

    I had an amazingly similar scenario happen this winter that may(or may not) be useful. My sisters 2000 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4.0 reportedly would crank but not start. I arrived ready to change a CPS as that's what my reading of various Jeep forums indicated as a likely culprit. BUT I stumbled on one thread that suggested a dying but not yet dead battery could cause this also due to the ECU not "liking" what is was seeing voltage or amperage wise from the battery. I arrived onsite and sure enough she cranked ok but wouldn't catch. I "feathered" the gas while cranking and she started and stayed running as long as I "feathered" the gas, but died as soon as I took my foot off gas...weird but it didn't strike me as a CPS issue. Battery looked old, I removed it and drove it to Advanced Auto for a test and they said "its bad must replace". Not even the normal, "charge and re-test", it had a fully dead cell. I bought a new battery plunked her in and Walla! Started and ran immediately with no foot on gas. No issues since, none. ECU did not "like" something about what it was getting/seeing from battery so it wouldn't run/start. I am sure some engineer type out there may have a better understanding of the why, I do not. It just worked.








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      off-topic question (isuzu trooper ii) 200 1990

      aha! very interesting, because my mom mentioned that she had been having trouble with one of the battery terminals a few months ago. apparently it was being very finicky and the wire had to be jiggled and tightened in a certain way to get it to start. lots of blue and white gunk everywhere around the battery, i guess i'll just replace it and the wires








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    ANSWER off-topic question (isuzu trooper ii) 200 1990

    First question would be "Why did they quit driving the Trooper ?" Isuzus were pretty reliable. It sure sounds like it is not getting fuel. Does the fuel pump run ?

    E10 fuel is not very stable, but I have had the same gas in my Honda since October and it still starts fine.

    Greg

    This post has been marked as an answer to the original question.








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      off-topic question (isuzu trooper ii) 200 1990

      Fuel pump was not running. I went to replace it and noticed that its wires were chewed through in two places: next to the tank and also near the fuel filter, two spots where the wires dip down to rat-level. Soldered it up and we're back in business!








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    off-topic question (isuzu trooper ii) 200 1990

    Is this engine carbureted and how long has it been idle?

    You may be looking at old gas in either case.

    A carburetor unit may have dried out enough to gel up the jets or needle seat where a fuel injected engine may eventually pass enough pressurized fuel to clear itself unless it's all jelly from the tank forward.

    Running ten seconds on spray is quite awhile unless you doused a bucket full in there some how? It does prove that the other things are working though.

    Phil








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      off-topic question (isuzu trooper ii) 200 1990

      Not carburated.

      Gas is old, no one can remember driving it in the past 3 months. Should I drain it? I think there are 20 gallons in the tank (d'oh)








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        off-topic question (isuzu trooper ii) 200 1990

        Three month old gas is not considered old gas.
        If it has twenty gallons in the tank there was less air above the fuel so it would oxidizes less over that time. At most you might think of it as going stale but in itself its not bad.

        You could remove half of of it and put that in another car and then fill the tank with fresh and all will be just fine until they drive it enough to put everything back into a routine of use.

        The biggest concern was the fuel left in the carburetor that dried up. In that I mean several times. Like not driving every two weeks and if there was accumulated residue in the carburetor. But then you do not have a carburetor so it's all a mute issue at this point.

        Like others have said you need to check to see it the pumps are pushing gas up to the fuel rail and to the injectors. If you can find a connection point you could disconnect it and see if you can run fuel into a container. You may have to crank the engine to make the pumps run as most of the Volvo's do. Some designs run the pumps with a prepump mode when the key is in the precrank position.

        Has this vehicle been left for several lengths of time idle and if so was it left in an area where rodents habitate? There could be a wire chewed. One ground wire would knock off all the injectors or the pumps!

        Phil








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        off-topic question (isuzu trooper ii) 200 1990

        Oh yeh

        I parked my Mercedes at the airport long term park in Nov. Flew to my house in the Bahamas for the winter. Oh and I had my "man" drain the gas from the tank in the Merc at the end of March...as I had a delayed return...in to mid April,,,,let me count how many months is that...well no matter Jeves can count, I'm sure the gas will be Fresh when I land. Krimeny, don't want that OLD GAS to foul my return to the estate. Premium of course. Jeves?








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        off-topic question (isuzu trooper ii) 200 1990

        3 month old gas??

        you're kidding Drain it ...don't be a fool

        that is not old gas. it's not the gas

        try 3 years and then maybe it could be "old"







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