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'69 144S Brake Question(s) 140-160 1969

posted by  Tusk on  Sat May 17 21:47 CST 2014
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Hello!
Rather new to the Volvo community. Literally picked up a 144 yesterday. Starting going through her this afternoon and already broke something. I noticed the parking brake didn't work so I took off the driving side rear wheel to check it out. The rotor is in almost new condition, as are the pads. Upon inspecting the caliper, however, I noticed that where the bleed screw should be there was a massive 19mm bolt instead. Having no idea what I was looking at or how to take the caliper off, I started taking the caliper apart (Forgive me for being a fool) starting with that gigantic bolt. I sprayed the seemingly appropriate bolts with catalyst and starting cranking. I then noticed that there was much more fluid dripping of the backing plate than what I sprayed on the bolts.
"Christ! that's brake fluid!" I thought. and it was. I put the big bolt back in as best I could and consulted my Haynes manual, found the proper bolts to remove and got the caliper off, as well as the rotor. The parking brake shoes are...half worn? The forward shoe looks pretty good, the rear one is basically down to the metal.
So question number one; where the hell do I find the proper parking brake pads? I have some for a '74 244 which seems like they may fit but I want to be sure before I buy them.
Anyways, on with my tale of woe, so I adjusted the p-brake hoping I could get away with that so I started reassembling everything. Thought I should probably bleed the brakes, at least the one I was working on, while I was there. I called my father out to give me a hand. I left the big bolt loose while I stepped on the pedal and I wasn't getting bubbles or break in drip through it so I thought it was okay and tightened the bolt. I had him pump the brake to build pressure but the bolt kept bleeding fluid! and so regardless of how tight the bolt was. It got to point that I tighten it so much, I broke the side of the caliper off, rendering it useless. I've ordered a Centric Girling caliper, I believe I have ATEs on currently. I was told by the gentlemen I bought the car from that there won't be an issue and I'm inclined to believe him as he is a Volvo enthusiast.
But still, question number two; Will there be an issue and is there anything else I should check and most likely replace while I'm searching for parts?

Any information or links or anything is greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
/Tusk.

PS - Please excuse any and all grammar mistakes. It's late and I'm tired :P
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    '69 144S Brake Question(s) 140-160 1969

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    posted by  B20Paul. on  Sat May 24 13:26 CST 2014
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    You likely need to remove the handbrake cable and get some lube going through it to make it work at 100%. The hand brake shoes last forever until the cable starts to stick.
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    '69 144S Brake Question(s) 140-160 1969

    posted by  planetman on  Sat May 17 22:51 CST 2014
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    Hello,

    The correct parking brake shoes are still available and they are not the same as the 1974 and I have the ones you need in stock.

    It would be unusual to have ATE calipers in the rear so are you sure?

    ATE calipers use brake pad pins that have a trapped spring metal retainer at one end to hold them in and a small reduced end on the other end, while Girling calipers use brake pad pins that have a hole and a removable clip to retain them.

    Can you post a picture of the massive 19mm bolt?

    Do you know how to properly adjust the parking brake shoes?







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      '69 144S Brake Question(s) 140-160 1969

      posted by  Tusk on  Sun May 18 10:33 CST 2014
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      You do? Great, how much are they?

      We're pretty sure, judging by your description. I'll see if I can get some pictures. Of the caliper and the bolt.

      Yeah, we know how to adjust the shoes, it's basically like adjusting full drum brakes, no?
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        '69 144S Brake Question(s) 140-160 1969

        posted by  planetman on  Sun May 18 12:06 CST 2014
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        I have original Volvo parking brake shoes listed on our website.

        Parking brake shoe


        You are correct, turn the star wheels like old brake drums and you can do that with the rotors mounted through the one hole with a screwdriver.

        However since some previous mechanic might not have known about the adjusters and tightened the parking brake cable at the linkage rod, you should consider loosening the tension, then adjust the parking brakes correctly at the star wheels and then re-tension the cable.

        FYI, take the time to remove the adjusters, disassemble and clean and lube the threads.
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        Eric
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          '69 144S Brake Question(s) 140-160 1969

          posted by  Tusk on  Sun May 18 13:06 CST 2014
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          Fantastic!
          Thanks for the link.

          This is the picture of the caliper with the 19mm bolt in it as the car sits currently.
          Forgive me if this doesn't work, I'm operating off an ipad at the moment.
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            '69 144S Brake Question(s) 140-160 1969

            posted by  Tusk on  Sun May 18 13:09 CST 2014
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            Try this again.
            This is the bolt and the caliper.
            https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152579452233054&l=2be837489c
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              '69 144S Brake Picture ??? (Sorry, didn't work) 140-160 1969

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              posted by  lucid on  Sun May 18 13:46 CST 2014
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              But I could see it WAS a Girling caliper.


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              posted by  lucid on  Sun May 18 13:46 CST 2014
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                '69 144S Brake Picture ??? 140-160 1969

                posted by  planetman on  Sun May 18 14:44 CST 2014
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                Bruce is correct and that is a Girling rear caliper you have in your picture.



                And my mind is completely boggled by the lack of concern when someone messes around like that with something as important as the brake caliper.

                That is so $%$#ing dangerous, it just makes me so pissed off. THE PREVIOUS MECHANIC SHOULD BE HAULED OFF AND WAYLAID!!!

                Yeah its an old Volvo, but the correct parts have been and continue to be available if one bothers to look.
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                Eric
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                  '69 144S Brake Picture ??? 140-160 1969

                  posted by  Tusk on  Sun May 18 22:27 CST 2014
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                  Yeah, I wasn't terribly impressed while the poor gal was bleeding all over me and the driveway. But I apparently ordered the proper caliper so that's good. Hopefully it'll be here soon. The previous owner also put in xenon headlights but mickey moused the wiring wicked bad...I fried one of my ballasts today trying to fix it. Every time I touch anything, something breaks and I get further away from an inspection sticker :P

                  Regardless, thank you everyone for all the help and for the parts sourcing. I really appreciate it. I've spent a lot of time over the past couple years with VW drivers and they were all the kindest folks I've ever met; always willing to help. Glad to see the Volvo community is the same.

                  /Tusk.
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    '69 144S Brake Question(s) 140-160 1969

    posted by  Volvo From Heck on  Sat May 17 22:40 CST 2014
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    I just did a job replacing everything in the rear on an '83 244---used a good set of parking brake shoes from a 140--they're the same. If you have a Girling brake caliper on one side and an ATE on the other you'll need two sets of pads -- or get pads for the Girling and then drill out the holes for the pair on the ATE side (thicker retaining pins). You'll need two of the Girling retaining pins and and spring pins. -- Dave








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      '69 144S Brake Question(s) 140-160 1969

      posted by  planetman on  Sat May 17 23:10 CST 2014
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      Hello,

      All 140 series cars used parking brake shoes that differ from the 200/700/900 Volvos and I highly recommend against trying to use them.

      There is an early 140/160 style of parking brake shoe and a late version, both of which are not interchangeable with any of the later Volvos.

      The only exception being the 1975 164 which used the same parking brake shoes as the 200/700/900 Volvos.

      Maybe you got your parking brake shoes for your 240 from 1975 164.







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