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Just before leaving for vacation for a week, on my drive home from work my '87 245 with manual transmission would not go over 20 mph. Everything was fine until I was about 6 miles from home. As I was making a turn I heard a bang from what sounded like below and to the right. I thought something had hit the side of the car and I even pulled over to see if I had lost a hub cap or if there was any visible exterior damage. Nothing. Then within about 3 miles or so the car lost the ability to drive over 20 miles an hour. The engine seemed fine, I was able to get rpm, etc., but I did start to hear a squeal at higher rpm. The car shifts gears fine as well- reverse, and at lest up to 3rd gear. I managed to limp home and park it in the driveway where it still sits having just returned from away. Before taking it to the local mechanic, I thought I'd try to get a possible diagnosis here. Searching the threads hasn't helped.
I'm pretty sure this car has the M47II, and I know for certain it has the Dana power lock "anti-spin" differential. I've read these rear ends have clutches that wear out. Could that be the problem?
Thanks in advance for any advice.
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You say that you take care of your clutch.
Do you know how to check the free play?
Have you ever adjusted it?
If the free play on the clutch is insufficient, the clutch will slip even if you do not put your foot on the pedal.
With no free play, the clutch wears out because it is slipping.
This might cause problems at speed or during acceleration.
BTW - proper free play has little or nothing to do with how the clutch appears to work when you use it.
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No help. Just wanted to say that sucks. Hope you had a good time.
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posted by
someone claiming to be 83glt
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Tue Mar 29 12:48 CST 2016 [ RELATED]
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Thanks! It was a great time. A blown cat is a lot cheaper than a busted transmission or differential! Time to get those fluids changed...
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Glad to see you got your problem solved. Good call by another poster. I just went through replacing the "cat" on a clients car - a '93 244. Ordering a new one can be tricky because some front pipes end with a "flair" and a captured and loose triangular attaching ring (for lack of a better term) so the cat end has to match----other front pipes end with a welded fixed attaching plate (again because I can't think of the proper term) and so the cat has to have a fixed flat flange (there you go!). Some front pipes mount the O2 sensor -- some mount it in the cat. All things to consider when ordering. I bought one from Rockauto -- was about $110 + shipping - made well -- fit perfectly - came with the round sealing ring for the loose plate system. -- Dave
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Hi 83glt,
Glad the folks and your auto repair mechanic technician discerned a cat ball.
Cat ball? Did not even imagine such a thing. How stupid of me.
Yep, hopefully a lot cheaper than what I'd imagined. Glad it's not driveline.
Check with the emissions in your state. If you do not need a catalytic converter as the state does not perform emissions inspection, you may be able to remove it entirely.
However, the engine control systems must have a working 02 oxygen sensor. So, if using a straight pipe between the header pipe output flange and the input on the front resonator (muffler, if you have one), you'd need a bung with thread to receive the 02 sensor welded into a somewhat heavier gauge steel pipe section at about the same position as it is on the now failed catalytic converter of yours. Please research the solution folks have done. Your mechanic or exhaust shop should be able to help you. Ensure a durable and quality weld.
Also, ensure your have connection of the support bracket that, in normal exhaust configurations, securely and reliably supports the output end of the exhaust header pipe. This support is so very critical for RWD Volvo that tends to rust or becomes damage with impacts on speed bumps and the like.
The union between the header pipe output and the catalytic converter (can never spell 'catalytic converter' it right, so says the browser) is a really weak one no matter the union method, whether EGR or not.
Some will say to keep the exhaust system bolt together and not welded up at unions when the repair facility performs exhaust work. Up to you and your mechanic.
Else, chop or chip away pieces of cat inside the current catalytic converter housing. Though if old or rusted, the housing could fail from within as it is an empty chamber. Doubt you could get all the ceramic substrate out, and pieces could writhe further back into the exhaust, causing another clog in time.
Or, replace the catalytic converter with new. Not all are made the same. Volvo OE is incredibly expensive. You can find threads here on your brickboard.com to find recommendation on after market catalytic converters.
Finally, probably from age and high miles, yet be certain your emission controls system works so that the engine is burning the proper fuel to air ratio. Else, a replacement catalytic converter can fail.
You have the Bosch LH-Jet 2.2, I guess with the Hall-Effect based EZK ignition, so verify both engine control systems work optimally for good fuel economy and clean emissions.
My water pump repair failed in a parking lot on my 1990 240 DL li' red wagon. I've replaced many dozens of water pumps on inline 4 and 6 cylinder Volvos, mostly over head cam redblock. It was leaking out the top seal the presses against the cylinder head. Been like 34 years of water pump replacing. Chrysler, Ford, GM V6-V8-I6, VW four cylinders .... Not ever had a water pump repair fail before, ever. Unless the water pump itself failed. That happened once.
So I 'm certain I flubbed it. Popped like a water balloon just as I stopped and shut off the engine. Niagara falls of green coolant. Hates the Prestone smell. Working with engine coolant is nasty.
Hope that helps.
MacDuff.
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So what is a cat ball? I've never had it happen but it has been the case for some that the catalyst in the catalytic converter becomes dislodged and chokes off your exhaust.
Reduced exhaust flow = poor acceleration.
Where is the catalytic converter? Below and to the right.
I don't know if this is your problem but it is something to consider.
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posted by
someone claiming to be 83glt
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Tue Mar 29 12:42 CST 2016 [ RELATED]
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http://www.answers.com/Q/What_the_symptoms_of_a_bad_catalytic_converter
I wonder? The exhaust was starting to rattle a little in the last couple weeks, but I thought it was just a small leak at one of the joints that I saw. Maybe the loud bang was a backfire on the initial plugging of a failed cat?
My car idles great, but no power. I'll mention it to the mechanic. I would never have thought of this as a possibility. Thanks!
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Sure sounds like the engine cant "breathe" as in intake or exhaust clogged blocked etc.
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posted by
someone claiming to be 83glt
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Tue Mar 29 12:46 CST 2016 [ RELATED]
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Just called the mechanic and he had just road tested it. It's the cat. He said he knew right away. So there you go. I would never have thought of that, but it makes perfect sense now.
Thanks so much again brickboard!
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Very typical with GM cars. Don't hear of it happening much with Volvos.
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posted by
someone claiming to be 83glt
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Tue Mar 29 09:39 CST 2016 [ RELATED]
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Does the thumbs up mean I answered my own question?
I brought it in to the mechanic today so I'll see what he says and post back. If anyone has thoughts in the meantime that'd be most helpful.
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Did you peer under your 1987 Volvo 240 (sedan or wagon)?
I was waiting for others to chime in.
How are the fluid levels in the M47 and the rear diff?
Proper fluid and fluid level (research M47 overfill) in that M47? Wrong, low, and old, dirty fluid, as well as an abuse transmission with hard use, and hard, slamming shifting, will shorten the M47 lifespan drastically.
The only time you put you foot on a clutch pedal is when to shift. If, at stop lights, railway crossings, and such, where you wait, and wait, and wait, and all the while you leave your foot on the clutch pedal, well, clutch components will fail. The throwout bearing and the the clutch kit with the springy finger of which I can't recall the name right now.
Treat that manual transmission with respect!
Any other sounds, symptoms, smells leading up to your misfortune?
Since you rebuilt the rear axle bearings one of your 240s, well ...
An M47 if a slightly frail beast, yet with care, good lube (Volvo gear box oil, or the Redline MTL fluid), and properly adjusted clutch cable, will probably last as long as the rest of the Volvo 240.
Maybe your clutch has failed? Leaking engine oil can foul the clutch friction lining. If the clutch cable is not recurringly checked and adjusted, it can form tension in the cable so has not to fully release, preventing the clutch from fully engaging. The cluth, then, slips. Though some time before that you'd encounter a slipping clutch. That can make a hot brake smell, like burning phenolic, hot auto transmission fluid, or a burning circuit board smell.
(unless you have hydraulic clutch, and doubtful.) If the fluid drains from the hydraulic clutch reservoir, no clutch action.
However, there must have been other symptoms you encountered some time before this?
As for the Dayna limited-slip rear differential, low fluid will mean failure, but it will make noise, and will chatter and balk, and get really hot without lube.
You also have the giubo, the flex coupler between the M47 output and the front of the front drive shaft flange. Acts as a U-joint. See Mr. Nabisco and Pageda's posts of the topic in the current index.
Does that help?
Questions?
Dreams of Living Free in Europa or Canada ....
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posted by
someone claiming to be 83glt
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Tue Mar 29 12:27 CST 2016 [ RELATED]
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This happened at 9pm two Fridays ago. I left for a week's vacation the next day at 4 in the morning. Just got back from vacation a few hours before I posted. This is my new (to me) daily driver so I need it fixed asap. So I didn't have much of a chance to investigate. I did peer underneath when it first happened and I didn't see any issues immediately apparent, but it was dark out and difficult to see.
Would I be able to shift if there was a problem with the M47 trans? I am able to shift through all the gears without problem. I didn't notice any odd noises or problems shifting at all since I took ownership leading up to this event. In fact there is no noise at all that I can associate with the trans generally and when shifting gears even now.
Everything appears normal except that there is apparently no power transfer to the rear wheels once I get up to 20/30mph or try to climb even slightly uphill.
I'm very careful about not riding the clutch. I had fluids checked at my last oil change about 3000 miles ago. I asked them to check the diff and trans fluid. They said everything checked out. But there's no way I can confirm they actually even looked - I'm taking their word for it. If it turns out to be a fluid-related problem causing failure, it'll be ironic as I was about to give this car a complete tune up including replacing all fluids. Maybe I didn't get to it in time? Too busy!
Interesting thought about the cat ball. I drove it to the mechanic today - fortunately he's only a couple hundred yards down the road. So we'll see what he says. I'll report back.
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