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11 mm flare wrench to open the copper-nickel solid brake connection at the flexible brake line hose.
What I have is now is made in Taiwan. How silly. Flare on one end, 12-pt box at the other end of these spanners.
I used to have a small set of SK flare end and box end spanners with 11 and 14 mm, yet left behind during a familial schism late in the last millennium.
While at the salvage yard today, to practice and collect a few extra hose to caliper copper-nickel lines, this made in Taiwan flare end rounded most of the copper-nickel nuts. I forget how I came to owning this flare wrench set. I thought I was doing it wrong. Awful. The flare end does not feel snug. The contact area the flare end presents is narrow. And it feels with some flex at the flare end on the nut.
I would tap with a small hammer deliver a counterclockwise impact to crack at the caliper or hose. Or merely turn counterclockwise. I've not ever had such a failure, using my (former) tools. Yet my skills and touch are not as good, also.
I've read the posts here using the search going back some years.
Snap-On sells an 11 mm wrench for 50+$ with flare and box end. I'm reading tooling opinion forums and what not. eBay, craisglist ....
I'll get some spare copper-nickel lines from FCP Groton. I gave some away I'd collected to help a guy with his brakes on his '86 240 some years ago. Did not replace the stash.
Though, my worry, as in the salvage yard today, is screwing up the copper-nickel lines that connect to the flexi brake hoses at the inner fender. And, with that wrench, I chewed up to of them. I try not to screw up junkyard stuff so the other person can have a go and grab at it. I miss the Spokane and Portland junkyards.
What do you folks recommend, please?
And got three MANN W 917 oil filters.
Thanks.
Replace the front flex brake hoses to pass the MO-state (Misery-state) safety inspection, Macduff. ('Cause no need to check emissions with all the pollution here.)
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If you are going after a fitting that you expect to be difficult, how about clamping a pair of vice-grips around the split end of the wrench.
I have a set of Craftsmen wrenches that have served me well, but I have not used them as you describe. Their split ends are somewhat thicker than the box wrenches that I have.
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hi kitty g, james , arty b and other sages- have had problems using flare wrenches on various cars also on bleeder screws. agree snap ons and the old sk seem to be the best with craftsman a good 2d. the rest are stinko. have also used the old needle nose vise grip trick. would like to find good sets of certain used tools at cheap bastid prices. uncles moe and walt told me pawn shops were good places to look for good used tools. walt was a mechanic for the red ball express in the big one. bet nobody heard of the red ball ex. take care oldduke
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my experience as a pro is not been good with craftsman, mac or matco flare wrenches. spread too easily. and no craftsman means no kd or anything made by danaher tools. snapon, proto and sk-no issues. no, danaher does not make snapon wrenches, they do mac, though. once rounded, it's tough. good luck, chuck.
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Mine happens to be an 11mm Craftsman brand, however I read that doesn't uniquely identify it. So far I have not had any difficulty with it on my cars or in the yards. I use it only for breaking and securing, as you write in your title, moving to a 7/16 open end as soon as the breaking is done.
The flare nut wrench or tubing wrench is not just a 6-point ring spanner with a section knocked out. The rigidity provided by a complete ring cannot be approached by an open-ended design without significant increase in strength. So, I see the point of the SnapOn design and price for the professional.
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Hi Uncles Art and Dan and Steve,
Thank you.
I agree with you knocking out a section from a six-point box end would result in flex and failure, chewing up the brake line nut. Just like these dog-awful made in Taiwan flare end - six point box end wrenches do. Have no idea where I got these? Did I buy them?
So, I'll check the Craftsman options for flare end-open end wrenches.
There is one used 11-mm Snap-on on eBay not far from me for 25$! A set of small-ranged metric Snap-on on craigslist for 100$. Yet also check the new Craftsman option. That is Sears (what was Sears?). I'll check the pawn shops too, I guess.
The dedicated flare end wrenches, the better ones like Snap-on and Mac, in the images, have more mass at the flare end it appears. They appear deeper (thicker) with more contact area to the nut securing the line.
Yet using a 7/16" open-end wrench after breaking the bond to open them? 7/16" is just slightly larger than 11 mm, yes?
Though I've done such work before without problems, and have had to remove and replace piping up to the brake pressure check valve, my greatest fear is screwing up the solid brake line to flex brake hose at the inner fender coming from the brake pressure value to which the flexi brake hoses secure.
Not as good at turning wrenches these days. Yet the used car market in the slimy, smelly, and gooey midwestern town with it's stupid arch shows what a ripoff used cars are here, even in private sale, much of everything appears. More so after the 2008 well-planned Wall Street scam and so-called collapse and follow-on bail-out rewards.
On a happier note, I have the largest-sized 1992 (22-23" crank to seat post, 35" kick over height) Schwinn High Plains mountain bike. Not many miles, yet new tubes and tires, an adjust here and there, and some chain lube, maybe new grease at both wheel hubs, and a bike to fit me again in bike-unfriendly town. (No bike lanes, yet few dedicated trails. After my 23" 1992 Giant ATX 770 was stolen in front of the Spokane Valley library in 2014 or so. A heavy cable lock does not work in thief town.)
Welp, Happy Mundane. What does Tinkerbelle want?
Thank you,
The Earl of Grey (Tea).
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I just looked at my Craftsman vs SnapOn and the snap ons are beefier than the Craftsman wrenches.
That said the Craftsman wrenches had served me well before I sprung for the snap ons.
Dan
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"... 7/16" is just slightly larger than 11 mm, yes?" (with a Russian accent)
Yes. Slightly. Helps speed things up when something is just slightly tighter than finger tight.
"(No bike lanes, yet few dedicated trails. After my 23" 1992 Giant ATX 770 was stolen in front of the Spokane Valley library in 2014 or so. A heavy cable lock does not work in thief town.)"
Take your bike out of town.
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"When I grew up, it was duck and cover! Now it's ... Tuck in them elbows, boys and girls!" - Phil
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Hiya Uncle Art!
No real Uncles. Two relatives remain. We don't get along. They got the cash piles and freedom. (One now dates an early Monsanto executive worth many 10s of dozens of millions. Her daughter got all the cash and jewels and lamps. Now that I'm only ten blocks away, versus seven states, I mean to drop in sometime ...)
Though I can see you have some fancy mountain bicycles on the trailer hitch mountain bike carrier on your 245 there! Blue bike fancy!
I'll guess you have at least one Volvo 240 trying to photobomb your photo taking, there? The Turbo 240 with the turbo 240 (bar and) grille looks to be mookin' in on your photo action!
Were you and the Benstein family of Volvo 240 motorists loaded up for a camping and bike trip? I'll guess you mean to get out of the urban area of town? You have Appalachia not far from you and the Atlantic seaside ...
I dunno about near Baltimore, yet St. Louis is a dog-awful for the bicyclists. The roads, the main aerials, like Olive Blvd through Creve Coeur, Manchester Road through the county and into the city, and so forth, are all narrow, like 1920s narrow, and treacherous. You have a few trails, like the Grant and Katy Trail. Yet getting there ....
I mean to take this 1992 red Schwinn High Plains and mount it to the hydraulic hydraulic fluid resistance trainer for the Winter. It had so little use the wheel hub ball bearing grease had separated and the lighter oils evaporated. It has a rear cassette, and not a freewheel. To the bike store with the wheel as it is beyond the my bike tooling set. Front wheel hub was easy to clean and repack yesterday. 10 ball bearings each side. Used the SuperLube NLGI-2 grease for the hub. I worry the bottom bracket and headset bearings are equally dry ... as are the brake show spindles and probably the rapid-fire shifters. Same red as the 1990 240 (li'l red) wagon, about.
Hopes for a gig in CO-state, back in WA, or elsewhere.
Out of town? I'll take out of nation. To Finland! To Switzerland! Quality dairy! Ice biking! Drifting the 240s on solid ice frozen over lakes in Winter. Easier on the tires and bushings than drifting on concrete and asphalt as some people do to ruin a good rear wheel drive Volvo in North America. Raise the lowered.
I'll stick with safe and slow motoring though. No hopes for hopped up B23 or B230 or B234 in a 1979 242 coupe body, any more. 242 is my fave as is the 164.
Thank you for the nice photo.
Back to that thing I do.
Sure Happy it's Thursday!
Buttermilk MacDuff.
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posted by
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OK late in the game. Sears Craftman.(not what it used ta be) Flare Set can be bought ON-Line and then Delivered to a Store Near You. That's what I did. The spread of MMs brackets the needed wrenches...diff each end out of 5 total). Works as the the sizes need are not on the same handle. On-Line Only. Go to an actual SEARS and you will know why they are not long for this world. VERY VERY VERY Sad for what it sez about how far down the rabbit-hole we have come. I've got Craftsman tool that I bought in the mid 70's to work on those storied BMW's that look like they were made on another planet(and they were...the planet USA) compared to what SEARs sells now.
You want to see --- If we think to tell you that this is COOL and you will believe us and then Buy IT. Check out MT Bikes.
Once Upon a Marketer's Dream there was only HardTail or Full Suspension. So that's it? Said the CEO of the newly acquired Mt Bike Star-Up...That's It?
Then some UnNamed wizzard market genius figured out and pitched to the CEO's of Mt Bike, Inc... Wheel Size. Voila. For perspective: Mt Bike Traditional --- 26"Wheel.
The New New New - Let's sell them 29"ers. wait wait wait wait wait....Yes OK.
The NEWER NEWER MORE RAD (let's really make them incompatable) IS ta da 27.5 Inches
And YES YES YES YES YES it makes a difference...we've got a guy and a gurl over here and they will explaing WHY there are no more 26" tires available. LOL
ps: I still ride my Gary Fisher HardTail. Tho I'm primarily a road rider...since I was 16, Fuji Roubaix currently.
What to find bikes that cost more than you'd spend on a car.
Go to your library and read a few Bicycle Magazines.
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"What to find bikes that cost more than you'd spend on a car."
$35 at goodwill on 140.
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Art Benstein near Baltimore
Do Lipton Tea employees take coffee breaks?
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$35,,,,,,
Don't think so.
Ride to keep Alive
Got the Fuji on 2006. Ride average 55m/wk More in the spring/fall. Less to 0 in the winter. So more or less, I put 31K? miles on the bike. When I bought it --just under $1K
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"$35,,,,,,
Don't think so."
Don't blame you, Charlie. That's why I posted the location of the store, because living in the same rural county, I'm sure you'd recognize that particular business for its history of ripoff pricing. And Mrs. B. doesn't drive a bargain -- more of an impulse buyer. But $35 she said...
I ride the black one behind it except for the test-driving after tuning. That one might have been $100 new, guessing.
2006? I prolly saw you on the roads. Prolly not on the unpaved ones with that Fuji. I don't ride them here anymore after one of those laughing-rednecks-in-a-p/u purposeful near misses. Lower DE is bike friendly. Shame, I was getting a nice barn pix collection. Like I said, take your bikes out of town. 16 was the age I abruptly stopped riding a bicycle.
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"Stop spinning your wheels in the quagmire of the subjunctive" -Phuc Tran
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If I didn't live where I do, so I can go out of the driveway and ride (my daily 10m) up to 60m on LCPH (low car per hour) roads in Carroll Co and Frederick Co., I'd either go insane or be compelled to move.
I have a friend who lives near Sykesville, the exploding suburbia in South Carroll. Riding those roads now, you will face cut-throat drivers wanting to get where there are going and little thought for running bicyclist off the road... they'd just speedup so you couldn't see the tag.
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PS, the reason -- Limestone Quarries. Lehigh built an underground conveyor belt that runs from their New Windsor quarry to their cement plant in Union Bridge. No more trucks. Quite a piece of work. Now that it's finished you can't even tell it's there. Quarries have really limited housing developments in select parts. Kept it rural.
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The Babylon building ---White'ss
https://www.google.com/maps/uv?hl=en&pb=!1s0x89c8380832d01f69:0xe8bb77c1c3507675!2m22!2m2!1i80!2i80!3m1!2i20!16m16!1b1!2m2!1m1!1e1!2m2!1m1!1e3!2m2!1m1!1e5!2m2!1m1!1e4!2m2!1m1!1e6!3m1!7e115!4shttps://ssl.panoramio.com/photo/72823049!5swhites+bikes+-+Google+Search&imagekey=!1e4!2s72823049&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjWh-TylNPWAhUT32MKHcIIB6YQoioIlwEwCg
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Yes, I know White's. Wife's bike bought there years back. Gorgeous picture of the building, did you take it? I was not aware of the underground conveyor to the cement plant. Cool.
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Art Benstein near Baltimore
Why do supermarkets make the sick walk all the way to the back of the store to get their prescriptions while healthy people can buy cigarettes at the front.
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Them's all Google DriveBy Cam shots. the snoopers at work.
They got my place of living too. but when they did, it was June, so all you see is trees and asst'd green. no humans or house to be seen. LOL
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Oh, no, Charlie. Them's not Street View 360 shots. Them's Panoramio images, taken purposefully for content by amateur photographers. Not the roving van with the camera atop.
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Art Benstein near Baltimore
"The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" -- checking spark on a 85-88 240.
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Oh No Mr. Bill
view the orig link and Observe the circle/w/arrow a the bottom of the lower left image...of the three. Click on that circle/arrow.
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Sure, there's a Google Street View, but I wouldn't praise that photo. It's the Panoramio shot of the Babylon Building, taken by "midnight rider" (Alex Tucker, obviously not you CB) deserving a frame. Maybe it doesn't show up on your internet?
Another example: Gorge-ious
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Always remember that you're unique. Just like everyone else.
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I've run that section back in the day. known as the Lower Blackwater in the White Water guides. Never ran the Upper or the North Fork. They converge and then this. Thomas to Hendricks.
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12 miles
900 to 1500 CFS.
not 100
https://ssl.panoramio.com/photo/26073969
https://ssl.panoramio.com/photo/26073855
https://ssl.panoramio.com/photo/26074226
KrakaToa
The Ledge
Falls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_TmfgqGbQA
at the confluence the cfs double...rule of thumb
"Levels were 425 to 387 cfs. We did the whole run from the park down. This is video from the confluence of the north fork of the Blackwater River down. I tried to name the rapids. Some names could be wrong"
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I have both Craftsman and SnapOn flare wrenches and greatly prefer the SnapOns, especially if the line is seized. Your chance of rounding off the fitting is much lower with SnapOn. You can buy individual wrenches, btw, and I have two just for these fittings.
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I have Craftsman flare wrenches but have purchased several Snap On wrenches that are allegedly the best. I have had no problems with Craftsman flares and have read that they are made by the same manufacturer as Snap On.
Dan
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By "flare wrench", do you mean a box wrench with a section missing so you can get it over the tube? If so, why not buy a quality 6 point 11m
box wrench and with a thin abrasive cutting wheel cut a section out just large enough to clear the tube?
I have a couple of SAE tubing wrenches that I've had for years
that I think are Craftsman. Still work fine. Tom
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Metric Craftsman used here on the Volvo brake system without drama for 20 years. Concur with the recommendation above to make your own with a Dremel/cutoff wheel. Just did that with a cheap/Chinese 22mm to make an O2 sensor wrench for mine.
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Hi Tom and Michael,
Thank you.
The set of Made in Taiwan flare end - six point box end wrenches are sort of like that. A six point box end with a section removed to place past the pipe (or brake line) may flex. The Snap-on and the Mac tools versions have more, er, uh, meat around the flare, or more steel alloy mass under the plating. These are machined to the dimension of the line or pipe nut they are meant to remove and tighten.
I'd worry doing so would flex. I'll look up Craftsman for flare end with a open end set.
Craigslist has a set of old, used Snap-on flares for 100$. The SK set I had were used and a hand me down from a relative who got a better set. If I could have inherited all those tools, if just the mechanical hand tools, and then the the comprehensive plumbing tools, and then carpentry tools (what do you do with three large radial saws, anyhoo?).
I was sort of freaking out. I used to be able to crack the lines open rather consistently with the Allied brand wrenches open end-12 pint box end I've had since like 1985. I'd lost the touch, it would seem, also. Though I have one SK 11 mm open end-12 point box end (not a flare) remaining.
Rising incompetence, then. Time for a 2010 Toyota without the kill you air bag, yet with manual transmission.
I'll see what the other folks say here.
Thank you folks, kindly!
Earl Grey Tea MacDuff and a Can of Almonds.
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don't know the current situation but several years ago I went to AAP for brake line. They had shiny stuff, clerk said it was stainless...and cheapest, steel .... zinc coated? with plastic tube over, was more expensive, then cupro nickle, even more. Asked clerk why the "stainless" was the cheapest, everybody gathered around, concluded the shiny stuff was actually bare steel w/no coating, etc. HOWEVER, at that time, you could buy cupro nickle w/ the 33% off coupon that AAP often run, making it the cheapest line they sell.. Thinking about ordering some for stock, have to remember correct size. Didn't somebody just write about that 2? weeks ago?
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