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Exhaust in the cabin: Where to look for leaks? 444-544

In stop and go traffic I'm noticing a strong smell of exhaust in the cabin. It may be coming in during faster travel but there's more airflow so I'm not sure. I've come in from rides with a strong smell on my clothes and I can definitely feel the residue on my face.

A couple of things:

There's a tear in my shifter boot. I've read that some exhaust can come through there but in my mind there should only be exhaust coming from the rear. That will be fixed soon.

The car feels like it may be running rich. I've been using 93 octane gas and the car has a K cam and 0,040 over cylinders. I'm not an engine guy--could I be pushing out richer than usual exhaust? The carbs were recently tuned.

The trunk may have a leaky seal. I've done the $20 bill test and there are definitely some spots that aren't flush and the bill pulls out easier.

I'm actually a bit concerned about the smell. It can't be healthy even though I'm sure avoiding it completely is unlikely.

Any suggestions?

Thanks.










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    Screw the carb jets in a bunch. 444-544

    You are smelling raw/barely burnt gas. You are running rich. In these old cars, without emissions controls, you will probably always smell some exhaust, at the speeds we typically drive around town. It should not be unpleasant.

    In fact the smell tells you the state of tune.

    The cars need less richness in hot weather, I find as much as 3-4 flats of adjustment.

    Follow the SU carb tune technique. If they need rebushing (throttle shafts) they won't tune for both idle and high load.

    IMO, It takes a few miles for the engine to stabilize to new carb tune. It's like the carbon in the head has to burn down to a new composition.

    I've been working on an air-fuel meter circuit with a simple led readout, but it's taking a while, along with other electronic projects that I am not expert at.
    It would tell me my tune at all rpms, which may or may not help find the perfect needle.

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    MPergiel, Walker, MI








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    Exhaust in the cabin: Where to look for leaks? 444-544

    Make sure there are no holes or leaks in the heater intake duct (dryer vent hose). Also look for rotten or missing firewall grommets.








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    Exhaust in the cabin: Where to look for leaks? 444-544

    it will defintely gie you worse & worse headaches,,i had a 59 bug that had hoes in the floor & even w the windows open it got really bad,,wish i didnt junk it.








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    Exhaust in the cabin: Where to look for leaks? 444-544

    So most of the exhaust fumes have dissipated from what most people probably expected: holes in the exhaust. Two holes were found and patched on the sides of the rear muffler and no doubt exhaust fumes were creeping in via the drainage areas and through whatever open areas exist on the trunk.

    I still have some smell so I'll try to patch my torn shifter boot and try to figure out the trunk seal.

    Thanks for all the helpful advice








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      Exhaust in the cabin: Where to look for leaks? 444-544

      For what they are, a new shifter boot is not too expensive and they are readily available. Grey for earlier cars. They also have a thick felt inner liner to reduce noise and which also helps to keep them keep a good shape. Repairs won't last.








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    Exhaust in the cabin: Where to look for leaks? 444-544

    Are you sure it is exhaust you are smelling? Is the pcv system plumbed properly and the pcv valve in good condition?
    Make sure the hose from the intake manifold goes to the pcv valve and it in turn is on top of the oil separater on the side of the block. Another hose should go from the cap on top of the valve cover to the air cleaner. Any malfunction or calapsed hose in the system can cause considerable fumes in the passenger area.
    Tom








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      Exhaust in the cabin: Where to look for leaks? 444-544

      I actually don't have a pcv valve setup nor the venting on the top of the valve cover. I do have a pipe that leads directly to...the ground. I guess I'm a polluter of the worst kind.










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      Exhaust in the cabin: Where to look for leaks? 444-544

      Besides fixing you exhaust, do you still run points in the distributor? When the running block on the points wears, the timing gets way off and causes rich ,sunburnt gasoline. Check points and timing.








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    Exhaust in the cabin: Where to look for leaks? 444-544

    Are you sure it is exhaust you are smelling? Is the pcv system plumbed properly and the pcv valve in good condition?
    Make sure the hose from the intake manifold goes to the pcv valve and it in turn is on top of the oil separater on the side of the block. Another hose should go from the cap on top of the valve cover to the air cleaner. Any malfunction or calapsed hose in the system can cause considerable fumes in the passenger area.
    Tom








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    Exhaust in the cabin: Where to look for leaks? 444-544

    Tommy;

    Knowing that flow always goes from area of high pressure to area of low pressure, and applying this to the car situation...the Passenger cabin develops a low pressure by venturi if you have Windows open and are moving through the air...this will suck in fumes from wherever it can, including past Shifter (if you also have exhaust leaks up front) or Trunkseal, or Rustholes in the floor...obviously, you want to block these areas of entrance whatever way necessary, but until then, I'd try driving with either the Doorvents kicked open to scoop air IN (making the cabin a high-pressure area), or Vents closed, and running the blower on low(at least) to get the same effect.

    Cheers








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      Exhaust in the cabin: Where to look for leaks? 444-544

      To find out where the leak/s are hold a pad of cloth over the exhaust exit. No leaks and it will die but you could have them anywhere. If all appears sound it's down to aerodynamics and seal leaks elsewhere. All comments so far are valid. I'd certainly replace the gear lever boot immediately. Air pressure in the car will suck the air in through there if you have a window or quarter light cracked open. I'd have replaced it long ago to reduce the noise. It can be very bad via this hole.








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    Exhaust in the cabin: Where to look for leaks? 444-544

    You are right to worry about inhaling exhaust fumes.

    Carbon Monoxide is poisonous.

    The trunk seal is usual culprit, but an exhaust tip that doesn't extend back far enough is also problematic.

    I have some customers with 122 Volvos that opted to have the exhaust pipe turned so the pipe points out the side instead of straight back and the helps keep the exhaust from being sucked past the trunk seal.
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    Eric
    Hi Performance Automotive Service (formerly OVO or Old Volvos Only)
    Torrance, CA 90502
    hiperformanceautoservice.com or oldvolvosonly.com







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