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Hey all-
I just bought an 82 245 with the weird LH1.0 and Chrysler distributor/ECM- when I first drove it home, it idled quite rough from the start and even after it was heated up and would just want to die if I let it do it's thing.
Since then, I found out there was a vacuum hose to the charcoal canister to the TB completely missing, the TB was filty, the IAC was filthy and a couple other vacuum hoses were rock hard, and the MAF to TB hose had holes in it. I fixed all of those things, buttoned everything up tonight and a couple things happened-
1. It started right up and the idle stuck around 1500 rpm.
2. As it headed up, it worked its way down to what looked to be just under 1000, but a fairly rough idle.
3. When I turn the car off and restarted after it was all warmed up, the idle shot up to almost 2000 and wanted to stay there... it had a very tough time wanting to come down. It seemed very odd to me that it wanted to go back to such a high idle... even higher than before after restarting the car
4. If I tap the brake, it seems to have some effect on the idle- it makes it drop slightly to a decent amount... . Occasionally. Not sure if this means anything.
I do know that I have one more really bad vacuum hose from the intake to the black box Chrysler ECM that needs to be replaced, and I will be replacing the brake booster hose/check valve as well, however:
Do I need to go through the grounding-the-blue wire resetting the idle procedure? I still don't really understand how this works/when one needs to do it after doing quite a bit of reading. Additionally, I have a vacuum switch on this car instead of a throttle switch. It's very possible the TB has been adjusted to compensate for all the air leaks, though there is a little bit of paint on the adjuster screw/nut that says someone put it there for a reason. I cleaned the crap out of the IAC with it off of the car, but I imagine it's still questionable if it's working.
Other items: my spark plugs look nasty.. Planning on replacing them asap. What's the deal with the resistor stuff? The sparkies on there have threaded ends and the replacements I bought have the knobish end.
I'm not really sure of the next step order of operations- if anyone can give some input, that would be excellent.
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OP continues thread here: https://www.brickboard.com/RWD/volvo/1653268/220/240/260/280/lh10_rough_idle_saga_continued_chuckles_inside_volvo_240_chrysler_distributor_white_cap.html
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Hi,
I'm not so familiar with a LH 1.0 but I own a K jet '78 and jump to an '84 LH 2.0. I then go to LH 2.2 '86. Since then I have moved up to the LH 2.4's of the '91 through '93.
The K jet use an auxiliary air valve that gets heated electrically to mimic the engine warming up and it idles up and back the engine.
The whole K jet is mechanically runs by fuel pressure and an oxygen sensor
for Lambda emissions. The controlling part is done via a frequency valve that pluses all the injectors continuously to adjust mixture.
I tell you this so you can understand what the electronic system is doing as it pulsing all the injectors opening time much in the same fashion.
The IAC now controls idle air, per a preset rpm instruction in the ECU brains.
It's rotating a vane about a quarter turn to widen a gap for air to pass.
On all these systems, all the air, for idling purposes has to go through a control vane, period.
With this said, the throttle plate has to be all the way shut!
That adjusting screw, that you saw paint on, is only a safety stop so that the plate itself doesn't get stopped and jammed tight in the bore opening. So at best, it barely cracks that plate to be open.
Now on the early LH's and your 1.0, you have a left over black knob on the throttle body. This is a small air bypass valve that allows you to get the engine to barely lope at the lowest idle speed possible. This was done before the auxiliary air valve on the K Jet was trimmed in to mimic a cold engine needs and adjust itself down in RPM as both warmed up.
Both air controls have a range of operation and require adjustment to dial them in. The K jet was set to the engine and today's LH's IAC is set to the computers capabilities.
This same knob is used in conjunction with the blue grounding wire to barely get the engine to lope!
The blue wire closes or isolates the IAC out of the loop of the electronic control.
In this mode you will have the engine stifled. This stifle, is the beginning of low end of the IAC's controlling range.
On a properly working IAC, it will take over control of the idling when you remove the blue grounding wire! If the throttle plate is to wide, the IAC Is out of the picture!
When ever you start the car from that point on you listen for the engine to start and rev up above its normal idle speed and then drop back to the preset speed program in the ECU mentioned before.
If it does not do this either the IAC is bad or you have air getting around it to create over speeding!
Air can come in around everything, if the brake booster is letting air in from the cabin or brake pedal side or the hose to the check valve. Yes, even a check valve can have a cracked housing.
If you operate the brakes it usually raises the idle or will make it stumble.
As far as you not having a throttle switch this is unusual as how does the ECU KNOW that you are wanting to idle. This loses me as I have no experience with the LH of the 1982 vintage.
On other LH's it tells the ECU to are going to take off as well. So it give the ECU a heads up to transition over to running down the road programing.
The only vacuum valve that I'm aware of was one to raise up the idle speed for air conditioning.
As far as the spark plugs and the "resistor part" was for a radio and TV interference suppression system. You use to get a popping sound on your radio of your car or in houses along the street. It also made flicker lines across those black & white cathode ray tubes!
We are talking 50&60's here. We could tell what neighbor just got home from work or school.
The spark plug wires are also part of controlling spark radiation with resistance and the wires are made with various schemes to accomplish this same feat!
During this time, the ends of the wires, went through individual makers and experimentation.
Before then, the earliest engines used flat metal strips with a hole in the ends and those were screwed to the spark plug and back to an ignition coil.
The open air surrounding them made up their insulation or later it went on to a thick woven cloth!
Only nice thing about them, a farmer could look and see if he has a bad ignition wire. Not so today!
Spark plugs, stateside, slid away from an open threaded stud but rather to the hub profile you are talking about because a new synthetic rubber coated wires were invented.
What you need to watch out for is the type of wires you buy to have the proper ends to fit whatever plugs you buy. Some brand plugs give you options to adjust their ends. The Wires do not!
Some wires from Europe utilize ends that allow the studs to fit up inside a brass connector with a spring clip. Our older Volvos came with these and heat resistant metal covers down by the exhaust manifold. Today silicone is suppose to replace them or they go to high temperature plastic sleeves.
There is always the backup woven fiberglass sleeves that have to be used on the Chevy Big Blocks!
Inside the push on clip Designs the USA always used a looser fitting made of tin or maybe a fake brass metal clip.
To me I perfer the screw connection as it cuts down on the gap from the top of the plug to the conductor of the wire. The conductor is folded back up alongside the outer shell of the wire and crimped. To me, it has always been a lame setup or call it plain ... cheap!
Now go back to those spark suppressing conductors, that create their own resistance, because of use of carbon or graphite impregnated fibers. You must have to lose something to gain suppression. Most of the time all you got was two years out of them as the carbon shifted or fell apart inside.
It's never made sense to me of its worth of using that junk especially for the last forty years!
Our electronics have moved away from a chassis with hand wired components to solid state board and integrated components. The solid wiring, by themselves, acted like antennas going both ways!
Any how you got short of a book trying to get this stuff down.
I hope it helps!
Phil.
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Super interesting stuff. It's going to take me a few read throughs to get all of that stuck in my head forever :)
As far as my 82 is concerned, it seems a little of an oddball. Instead of a throttle switch or sensor mounted on the TB, I have a vacuum line from the TB that goes to a 'T' with one side going to the charcoal canister and the other going in to a vacuum switch mounted on the firewall. I believe this switch is what tells the ecm that the car is idling.
Additionally, this model year throttle body does NOT have any black adjuster screw. The only thing I have to adjust is the cable, the little rod with the ball joint on each side And a tiny screw and locknut that is mounted on the TB itself. I believe this locknut/screw is what stops the valve from closing all the way and I have a strong feeling mine might be out of adjustment. Is it... Okay to try setting this... with the blue/white wire grounded?
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You should have one. Your car came with one. Did you get a TBer's project by any chance?

http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=339594 Female Connector Thing Mounted on Valve Cover bolt: A timing test connector for a Volvo special tool called a Monotester.
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Art Benstein near Baltimore
"Doc, I can't stop singing 'The Green, Green Grass of Home.'" "That sounds like Tom Jones Syndrome." "Is it common?" Well, "It's Not Unusual."
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Hey Art-
I could only dream of my car having been owned by a TBer. Not enough zip ties and not enough a slightly half ass attempt at upgrading to LH2.0.
It actually isn't a CIS model though- the LH verson in 1982 (I believe) had a vacuum switch (Google image search- charge air overpressure Volvo 240) in lieu of the throttle switch. It's also shown in TP30413-1, the B21-LH1.0 fault tracing green book where there is no throttle switch to be found.
As for black throttle body knobs. There is nothing there... Not even a place where one could go. Only a nut and screw.
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You're right, the LH version does have a vacuum switch. But that's for LH. CIS has two meanings in Volvospeak. CIS can stand for Continuous Injection System, which we know (yes I do too) yours is not. But it also stands for Constant Idle Speed system.
The CIS Constant Idle System is used in your LH1.0 model to control the idle speed independently from the FI. The complete procedure to adjust your idle speed is in TP30363/2 Repairs and Maintenance, Constant Idle Speed System. No, you don't have the bypass air knob, you must tweak the threads on the throttle control rod.
The point I was making is you're not finding your throttle switch. Maybe someone lifted it? The CIS needs to know when you're off the pedal. And you're right, I was wrong, the Constant Idle Speed for LH uses the same vacuum switch on the firewall as LH1.0 uses to detect off pedal. No excuse except I did not read carefully enough.
Let me know if you can't find that greenbook on line; I can scan a few pages as relates to setting the idle on LH1.0.
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Art Benstein near Baltimore
Two cows are standing next to each other in a field. Daisy says to Dolly, "I was artificially inseminated this morning." "I don't believe you," says Dolly.
"It's true, no bull!" exclaims Daisy.
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You're a life saver, Art, even if you occasionally forget about the existence of vacuum switches on one weird model year 240.
I found out tonight that the last vacuum hose I needed to tackle was by far the worst- hardened in some places, cracked in others throughout and barely even touching the brass nipple, and it was the hose from the intake to the Chrysler black box of course.
I swapped it out- this time running it along the firewall rather than under the alternator/timing belt area (why volvo would put probably the most important vacuum line down there right above the road is beyond me). I also popped out the sparkies and put new ones and new wires/a coil wire in as the other ones look to be old and quite melty looking.
I turned it over, and it instantly sounded like a different car- instead of hearing the puttering of this and that, I could hear just a nice smooth engine... That said, the rpms were at about 2000 and I decided to give my neighbors a break for the night.
Art- you're a lifesaver because I never in 1000 years (maybe a slight exaggeration) would have found that idle adjusting procedure/green book for this particular model. I guess coming down 1000 rpm for the idle might be a bit tricky, but we'll see. I'm guessing maybe the throttle is set so high that the vacuum switch just isn't ever engaging.
I'm a bit surprised there is no mention of grounding the blue/white IAC wire in this basic setting process- it seems a bit overly simplistic... What do you think?
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Ruling out an ignition timing mistake, or throttle linkage adjustment errors, I believe most naturally occurring high idle troubles are vacuum leaks.
One of the oft-heard misconceptions on the boards is the idle test terminal, the blue/white you refer to, is there to "shut off" the idle valve, as though the valve is there in every case to raise the air flow beyond the base setting.
I believe the base setting puts the idle valve into a known, in-range duty cycle (flow opening) from which it can change up or down. It definitely does on the LH2.0 and above cars I'm familiar with which do idle control from inside the fuel ECU.
So, to eliminate the idle valve, and its controller, from the cause of a high-idle, and permit the throttle opening to be set at minimum -- given all other air paths have been ruled out -- you must block the path through the idle valve. Clamp the hose, or if it isn't so new and pliable, plug it. Like this:

Did you mean to say you have the Constant Idle Speed System green book?
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Art Benstein near Baltimore
An invisible man marries an invisible woman. The kids were nothing to look at either.
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I just wanted to give a final update- I replaced all of the bad hoses, sparkies and wires, and cleaned the TB and IAC but what finally got my idle back down was backing off that throttle body locknut/screw. I turned it just a tiny bit and it seemed like the vacuum switch that tells the engine the foot of off the pedal engaged and there was an immediate reduction in rpm (2000 to 1100). It's definitely a fine line (about 1/4 turn) between adjusting that screw to where the idle goes too low and too high. Thank you all for helping out! And obviously, you need to make sure you vacuum lines/iac/TB are in order before doing this.
The only thing now is the idle seems to wander a bit at idle between about 600 and 1100 rpm with the foot off the pedal... I'm guessing it may be timing related or just old school lh1.0 behavior. Not really sure. It seems like it transitions between letting the Iac take over or not, and the idle is a slight bit on the rough side (more engine vibration than I would like)
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Hi,
Glad to read that you have made some progress in taming the fast idle.
I noticed you said you used about 1/4 turn on the stop screw to hold the throttle plate off the bore.
For me, I have found out that it might even be too much. I have used as little as the width of the screw drivers slot. No more than 1/8 turn after it first touches the shafts lever.
As far as the IAC and the waving rise and fall of idle speed you could have two things going on.
One is the IAC its self could be sticking due to dirt or wear. The latter is brush wear or the commutator has deep grooves worn deeper at one end and the brushes get stuck as the grooves become more tapered. The brush gets sort of jammed or rises up on the shoulders of the groove and lose electrical contact.
Have you listened to the IAC behavior upon startup? The engine must rev up higher, after hitting, to a point of fast idle and then immediately shut the engine speed back to a lower or normal level of idle speed. If it does not do that it has a problem!
Recheck the stop screw and get it to almost stall using Art's plastic bag trick to eliminate the IAC's influence.
The next thing is to suspect that the engine may have a breathing problem. In breathing I mean a valve lash issue.
I would normally say a "misfire" but you tuned up the ignition system.
The ECU will try to compensate very quickly to a miss fire or leaky intake valve.
Ignition Timing is always a factor at idle speeds.
On high lift cams they can make an engine idle rough. Valve openings or overlap of the two cause this.
Valves not closing completely or worse, being burnt or warped is the same.
A compression check might be in order and check for a bad compression ring.
Flutter or a lean running symptom can point to intake valve.
Hard starting or a popping or sucking a dollar bill backwards on an exhaust pipe is a sign of a leaky exhaust valve(s).
It might be necessary to check the shim clearances, if they have not been done in a real long time or done incorrectly before you got the car.
I will say that on these cars, the valve train design lends itself not to have issues.
Could there have been some head work could done earlier and the valves have settled into their seats and that would close up the clearances. You only need one out of eight.
I don't know what kind of noise you are having?
How many miles on the car and can you tell if it's been worked on or not the original factory setup?
Is the vibration a shaking on the motor mounts or exhaust pipe rattle? This car should not have any pesky heat shields like on later cars.
That is about all I can think of ... (:-) for you to think about.
Phil
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quote---The only thing now is the idle seems to wander a bit at idle between about 600 and 1100 rpm with the foot off the pedal... I'm guessing it may be timing related or just old school lh1.0 behavior. Not really sure. It seems like it transitions between letting the Iac take over or not, and the idle is a slight bit on the rough side (more engine vibration than I would like)---end quote.
i can tell ypu from experience up and down idle is NOT normal for any lh car. constant idle system is the reason. there's a problem the cis is trying to correct.
not having read every word in this thread, have you found and made sure the idle switch is working? is the vacuum decal intact and is the routing correct per the decal?
then there's my standby for that gen 240-how's the harness? that bundle to the idle motor from the cis ecu is VERY suspect. see below-
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Volvo-240-LH1-0-Engine-Harness-Replacement-82-B21F-MPG-3515383-242-244-245-IPD-/291921611328
good luck, chuck.
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someone claiming to be zeeko
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Mon Feb 19 12:32 CST 2018 [ RELATED]
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Hey porkface-
I have a couple other things I want to try- intake gasket, swapping out the o2 / maf, spritzing some carb cleaner / cigar smoke around and then testing out the vacuum switch, but I DO have a bit of rotting harness syndrome. Unfortunately, the worst of it seems to be in the area of the passenger side near the wiper fluid pump- there is a vinyl wrapped section that goes up the pax strut mount area and to the firewall back into the car... It's not the wire that goes into the Chrysler box... I don't believe this section is even part of an ebay/Dave Barton replacement harness. It's pretty nasty though.
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Kind of a rough photo, but this is what my throttle body looks like:
https://m.ebay.com/itm/THROTTLE-BODY-VOLVO-240-82-1982-8318/311856548098?fits=Year%3A1982%7CMake%3AVolvo&hash=item489c194902:g:hpcAAOSwIWVZAC-I:sc:ShippingMethodStandard!55412!US!-1
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