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240 - 92 - no spark - ignition module? 200

I'm at a loss and tracing down electrical issues is definitely not my cup of tea. The old brick has been sitting for longer that I'd like to admit.

I traced down the no crank to a bad neutral safety and I've got that bypassed for now while I get one on order, however she still won't start.

I hear the fuel pump, got pressure at the fuel rails, and can smell fuel when I turn it over (a few times) so I highly suspect the spark side.

Because she's been sitting, I went ahead and put new plugs and wires but still doesn't seem to be getting fire. I've got good voltage getting to both sides of the coil when I turn the key to on position - but when I try to crank I see no spark coming from the coil thru the plug tower when checked with a test light. I threw a new coil on it and still nothing.

could this be a bad ignition module? Any other ideas?????








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    240 - 92 - no spark - ignition module? 200

    Hi,

    Yes you are correct. The power stage module, located behind the battery, could not be getting a signal from the ignition control module located under the glove box as well.
    A dirty or bad connector inside the connection to the power stage module is always a place to consider. This is because of its Out of site location, behind a five year no maintenance battery, of which, leads to no maintenance.
    They do have a heat sink paste in between the module and it’s base mount that should be reapplied about every ten years. Good time to lube up the connector and redo the harness ground that needs cleaning just as often or more since it’s mounted to steel.

    Going a wee bit farther, to the to a head of the team item, you could have a failed Crank Position Sensor!
    It tells the Ignition Control Unit, that seldom fails, what to do if it senses the flywheel turning. It’s like the head dude in cranking or running all other components down the line.
    Both Of which, are almost impossible to troubleshoot being electronic.
    Just like the Air Mass Meter on how to know it’s good, except by replacing it.
    The AMM does promote a limp mode code so unplugging it is a test in the manual but the CPS just goes “dead meat” by acting up or quitting!
    No testing unless you got an expensive tool and brains!
    Talking about brains, do you have any computer codes or a check engine light on the dash?

    The power stage module acts as a relay switch and opens or grounds the primary coil to pass current into it.
    The 12+volts of current or power, is dumped into the secondary coil that then raises the voltage higher. The end of that coil has the wire coming out the top.
    I assume you are testing the firing of that wire to the strut bolt nearby?
    This eliminates the distributor parts that could be losing your spark to the plugs!

    I have found that it’s seldom that the ignition coil has a failure so it’s on the bottom of my list. If it reads correctly with a meter continuity test, it’s probably good to go.

    The CPS and the power stage modules are near the very top of a listing but the CPS can be the most likely boogie man in the process.
    Lots of us, that ever buy one, keep the old as a spare, if it prove not to be the problem.
    This is kept stashed in a bag while on the road, along with a distributor rotor button, a headlight bulb, a system relay and some small jumper wires for bypassing circuits for troubleshooting.
    Even a multimeter is nice to have around, especially, for a relatives house, in my case! I have Harbor Freight’s give away meters, everywhere!

    Getting spark at the coil wire is great, providing it’s a good wire too!
    Check that wire with an ohmmeter resistance test to be about the same as a plug wire or less if it’s shorter.
    Some tuneup kits fail to provide a replacement, to save you money and be competitive! But this does not save you any grief! Therefore, they can get quite old!

    A Question, is the car new to you?

    Hope this helps!

    Phil








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      240 - 92 - no spark - ignition module? 200

      not new to me - had about 6 years and she "was" a great running little car - so great in-fact that I haven't had to touch anything but basic maintenance.

      Was my daughter's when she started driving and I upgraded her to a Mini Cooper about 2 years a year ago - So we just occasionally started and ran the 240 until it just decided not to start. Since it wasn't "required" it sat for a few months, but now I need to get it back going.

      Like I said but was never good at tracing down the electrical stuff so it took me a while to figure out the Neutral Safety was bad. As far as I know the Power stage has never been touched nor the CPS have ever been touched The CPS looks to be the cheapest - so I may look into that first. F

      Regarding the Power stage - I'm sure going back OEM with the Bosch is probably best - but they are not cheap . Anybody had success with the off-brands from Amazon or FCP's Huco?

      I hate throwing parts at it - but I guess it's better than throwing up my hands .








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        240 - 92 - no spark - ignition module? 200

        Hi,

        I wouldn’t just blindly throw parts ar it either.

        The CPS is one of those things you should have two of. One new and trusty one to start out purchasing. Keep the old one if you find it was not the problem. If it was the problem throw it far away and don’t let it see you looking back at it!

        The power stage unit should be given a good cleaning and the environment around too. This is so because when it goes back in, it will feel like it’s got a good home. It might just start paying its rent again!

        You got the coil already, so why not keep working backwards because the CPS is a change only item.
        If you work forward, you are looking at an ignition tune up of cap, rotor, wires and plugs. That’s a judgement call anytime.

        Just make sure you are getting to look at all the pins in these connectors for corrosion or those that might slip back into the housing. The AMM is good about doing that.
        If you see any wires that look like ground wires you should inspect them for corrosion.

        These cars are not getting more resistant with age to corrosion, only a human can reverse aging on machinery.
        Man himself, well, he is just out of luck!

        Phil







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