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All Power windows not working 200 1993

Hello All,

I've got an issue with my power windows (93 245). None of them work, they just stopped a few days ago. I did not make any changes to the car they just stopped working.

I have power at pin 30 on the relay. When I jump pins 30 & 87 @ the relay the windows do NOT work.

I've got no power to pin 86 when I press the window up and down switch.

Where should I look for an issue?

Fuse 10 and fuse 12 have been replaced and are live.

Any advice is greatly appreciated!
HACK








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    All Power windows not working 200 1993

    Hi Hack,

    All power windows on my 1990 240 DL li'l red Wagon halted in late 2016 after the return from WA-state to deplorable StL in the state of entitled and illiterate MO. The 1990 Volvo 240 suffered revulsion driving on the regions roads, and they are far worse now than in 2006 when i left.

    Issue was corrosion at the load side spade lug at the spade terminal. I forget which of the two power window fuses. Yet old spade terminal lugs may be frail, have replacements.

    Power windows stopped working, fixed the corrosion at the fusebox .... do'h! 200 1990

    https://www.brickboard.com/RWD/volvo/1625057/220/240/260/280/power_windows_stopped_working_fixed_corrsion_fusebox_doh.html

    May helps also, though all windows halted

    Electric window malfunction 200

    https://www.brickboard.com/RWD/volvo/1645461/220/240/260/280/electric_window_malfunction.html
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      All Power windows not working also replaced relay plug 200 1993

      A small black wire was broken in half at the drivers door hinge . Only working when the pressure of the other wires in the bellow held the two ends just right.

      Dave I just read your post on my other request. You were right, had I looked at your post I wouldn't have needed to start this topic. Many Thanks Dave!

      I also replaced the relay plug as it was melted...

      AgIan Many Thanks!
      HACK








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        All Power windows not working also replaced relay plug 200 1993

        Glad you found it. Art correctly surmised it was very likely a broken black ground wire through the hinge once you confirmed the RF door switch was also not working and the relay was seemingly okay.

        As for a repair, a butt joint sleeve crimp will quickly get you going again, but if you want it to last longer then you need to keep any splicing out of the hinge flexing area either by pulling in a bit of fresh wire if there's enough slack or by adding a short section of new wire.

        As I mentioned in my FAQ comments, I'm quite impressed with the innovative design of the power window switching circuitry. No high tech logic circuitry involved, it's all done using flip/flop motor polarity with daisy chained momentary DPDT switches for local/remote control. It would be interesting to know if this design came out of North America or Europe -I'm guessing Detroit.

        There were two main weak points in Volvo's implementation of this design. One is using switches mounted face up that can too easily collect dirt down in the contact area. The other is using standard automotive stranded wire at the door hinge areas that was not up to the job of all the flexing it would have to undergo over the years, same problem as with 140/240 tailgate wiring. Copper of course hardens and gets brittle the more it is flexed (as well as when heat cycled). One way to help reduce this is to use a wire with lots of fine strands (with reinforced braiding for added support) -think DVM test lead wire vs. single strand solid copper wire. Another is to spread out the bending, first by making it a longer smoother arc, and second to replace some of the bending with a bit of twisting, hence the Z-routing of wires in a tube with the later 740/940 tailgates.
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        Dave -still with 940's, prev 740/240/140/120 You'd think I'd have learned by now








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    As I tried to indicate in a reply post to you yesterday in a different thread, before you get carried away digging into the wiring, you should confirm whether or not the RF door switch is working in order to help isolate the problem. The RF door switch is the only switch that gets its power directly from the relay and does not go through the LF door switch pod. If it is in fact not working (as you seem to have indicated), and assuming fuse 10&12 are both good, then the problem is most likely either a bad/sticky relay or the wiring between the fuse panel and the relay connector. If the RF switch is working (as I rather suspect you'll find is the case) and no other switches then the problem is most likely that power is not getting to the LF door switch pod with the prime suspect being the red? wire in the hinge area -that is the most common culprit in such power window problems.
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    Dave -still with 940's, prev 740/240/140/120 You'd think I'd have learned by now








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      All Power windows not working 200 1993

      Thanks Art and Dave,

      No the passenger front door widow switch does not work. I jumped pin 30-87 @ the relay and tried a few different relays.

      I looked at the wiring for the drivers door switch as I've had to repair the wiring inside the bellows before. They seem to be secure but I'll double check.

      Since the front passenger door window switch does not work what should I do next?

      Many Thanks Guys,
      HACK








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        All Power windows not working 200 1993

        "Since the front passenger door window switch does not work what should I do next?"

        I'd suggest scrolling up and re-reading my post. Anything you don't understand, ask. Remember, not all electrical problems can be identified by visual inspection alone.
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        Art Benstein near Baltimore

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          All Power windows not working 200 1993

          OK, thanks Art.

          I don't have any electrical knowledge so solving this is not easy for me without knowing exactly what to check.

          Thanks,
          HACK








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            All Power windows not working 200 1993

            So far you've done very well digging out that relay in the dash and eliminating it from the single point of failure list. The next item is the black wire which provides a return to ground for all of the windows.

            Logic has it the red wire would be a suspect, but because the right front door uses a separate wire, it is unlikely to be the reason for all windows not working.

            Next place to look is the black wire, and its most likely demise is caused by being bent back and forth each time the driver's door is opened. They can be broken inside and look good as the insulation can be more flexible. Sometimes its just the opposite and the insulation is brittle, it cracks, and fails to allow the copper to bend easily. It breaks at that point instead.

            It is a pain, but I think you'll need to pull the wiring out of the rubber conduit. You could try supplying a ground from the chassis to the black wire at one of the eight places it connects to the driver's door switch panel. If that makes it work again, you know it will be a problem in the rubber conduit, or less likely, at the connector (F).
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            Art Benstein near Baltimore

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              All Power windows not working 200 1993

              Many Thanks to all,

              You were correct Art. There is a problem with one or more (1 I think) wire inside the rubber bellows on the drivers door.

              I buttoned everything back up as I had to drive somewhere. When I got in the car and started it all windows worked.

              I drove about three minutes then parked. When I started the car again no windows worked.

              When I got home I left the car running, opened the drivers door and moved the bellow around and low and behold depending on which way i bent the bellow the windows all worked again.

              It's a wire in the bellow for sure now I just have to find and fix.

              Again Many Thanks Guys!
              HACK








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    All Power windows not working 200 1993

    The most likely spot is in the rubber bellows duct in the driver's door jamb. Pull the black wire from each end to test whether the strands are completely broken inside the insulation. Double check the right front window is not working from either switch, as the red wire could be broken to affect 3 windows.

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