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Motor Oil Grade and Brand; Engine Flush 200 1988

1988 244DL N/A 300k miles. I'm in sunny California, temps almost always between 40'F and 85'F. Front oil seals leaked a few months back, so I changed those without further leaks. Not sure if rear main leaks. Engine runs okay; oil trap was nearly clogged when I bought that car about 1 year ago.

FAQs recommend 5W-30 or 10W-30. What's the difference for my Volvo?

What brand and viscosity do you recommend?

I've read that some diesel motor oil has normal levels of zinc and lots of cleansers and is safe for gas engine cars. Is it a good idea to use that?

Here info about Mobil 1 ESP 5W-30; meets API SJ, emissions friendly, and 900 ppm zinc (same as engine motor oil)

https://mobiloil.com/en/motor-oils/mobil-1/mobil-1-esp

https://mobiloil.com/~/media/amer/us/pvl/files/pdfs/mobil-1-oil-product-specs-guide.pdf


Is high mileage good, now that I've replaced 3 of the 4 seals?

I've been using Mobil 1 and like it.

I'm also reading good things about Pennzoil Ultra Platinum and Platinum engine oil, which comes from natural gas. Any experience with this?

FAQs didn't say anything about engine flush, eg ATF, Seafoam, diesel motor oil. Any thoughts?








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    As the owner or service manual states ... 200 1988

    Use the viscosity as the owner manual states.

    The API motor oil service rating has changed since your 240 owner manual publication. Motor oils perform better whether mineral (dino) or synthetic (made from dino oil).

    I use Mobile 1 10W40 in all three.

    The PCV never clogs. With mineral oil on my K-Jet 1970s 240s, I used Castrol 10W40 mineral oil and the flame arrestor would become clogged. And I put miles on all of them. No stop and go and stop without allowing the engine to warm allowing the oil to fully heat and the condensation and such to steam away.

    Why a motor flush? Sludge is sort of a myth unless you do not change oil and drive go and stop and go without allowing the engine to fully heat, along with the engine oil, and also the engine control is out of tune, usually burning a way to rich fuel to air ratio, or other issues preventing proper combustion resulting in a 'clean' burning engine with low emissions before the catalytic converter.

    Too much ZDDP does not help the catalytic converter. Thank you for making mention. We're not motoring about in solid tappet flat head, or side valve engine from the 1930s-1950s. Nor are we motoring on over massive primitive V8 engines either.

    Mr. Yount and his Volvo 282 gets better fuel economy with probably better emissions than a typically tuned stock 240. Probably as good as a properly tuned 240 with LH-Jetronic / EZK as you and I have.

    Good job with the engine oil seals. Your PCV is not clogged, then? Breathes freely does it? I've posted a method to verify PCV breathing and seal. The glove test has it's use to loosely test for combustion blow.

    I was able to get up to 26 MPG and 30+ MPG rarely in my K-Jetronic 240s. Around 1% CO before the cat. I do not floor the gas pedal in stock 240 though.
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      Thanks; ATF in PS? 200 1988

      Thanks.

      I don't see my other thread where I asked about types of Type F to use in power steering. I then asked about using different types of Type F to protect my power steering rack and power steering pump, both poorly maintained with a leak in the power steering hose (fixed it about 6 months ago).

      I'm using regular (non-synthetic) Type F ATF.

      Presently, at times, I now hear a whining noise when turning the steering wheel and turning is a bit stiff.

      However, I don't see any leaks and there's no or little change in the power steering fluid dipstick.

      Would ATI's Super ATF 20 weight synthetic be okay to use as fluid for my 1988 244DL power steering?

      http://www.atiracing.com/products/trans/transparts/superf.htm








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        Thanks; ATF in PS? 200 1988

        If the whine is still there after a total and complete flush then you probably need a new pump soon. As a last resort - IMO - replace the type f with a backwards compatible synthetic ATF of your choice. Synthetic stopped my 850’s rack seals from leaking and has helped other folks on the BB with their PS issues.

        The stiffness is more likely steering shaft u-joints that need lubrication than a PS issue.

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          Thanks; ATF in PS? 200 1988

          Thanks.

          I'm not sure how to lubricate the steering shaft and with what, eg zerk fitting?

          I ran a quick errand and wasn't sure if there was whining on turning. The extra cost of synthetic is worth it if I can avoid or delay a steering rack replacement (I have the less common ZF type).

          Would this Super F (20 weight) or Max Super F (30 weight) be okay?

          http://www.atiracing.com/products/trans/transparts/superf.htm

          Last year, I made the mistake of using DEXRON synthetic ATF and the PS rack growled like a wolf in response.








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            Thanks; ATF in PS? 200 1988

            The shaft u-joints don’t have zerk fittings as far as I know. What I have done is spray WD-40 all over the u-joint while rotating the steering wheel lock to lock for a few minutes. It is probably rust on the outside that is causing the stiffness. Focus on the lower one as that is normally the troublesome one since it is very exposed to road grit and grime etc. Some folks follow this up with spraying penetrating oil on the u-joint.

            I don’t know what synthetic ATF is compatible with type F. I used Mobil 1 synthetic ATF in my 850’s PS system. I have read here that 240 owners have used it with success.

            Wish I had learned all this before I had to replace both the rack and lower shaft u-joint on my 90 240 years ago.....
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              Thanks; ATF in PS? 200 1988

              Thanks.

              The local junkyard sells power steering racks for only $50, $25 on half-price days (vs $250 new/rebuilt with lifetime warranty at AutoZone). I'm thinking that I might want to just replace the power steering rack.

              I'm wondering how often those racks go out and whether I can test them on junkyard cars before buying them?








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                Thanks; ATF in PS? 200 1988

                Why? It doesn’t sound like the rack is your problem.
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                  Thanks; ATF in PS? 200 1988

                  Thanks.

                  When I bought the car last October, there was no power steering fluid in the reservoir and the rack growled when turning. There was a continuous leak that I couldn't find the source of until January of this year (high pressure hose). Despite no further leaks apparent, as shown by lack of ATF puddles and the reservoir staying constant, the rack still growls off and on when turning the steering wheel, leading me to believe that there's damage to the rack.








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                    Thanks; ATF in PS? 200 1988

                    Take the belt off, which takes the Pump out of the equation.
                    What happens?
                    Jack the front wheels off the ground. Turn the wheel--rake Stop to Stop. Feel anything? Noise?.

                    Pull one off the boots back to see it rack itself, has any lube(grease). Are the teeth on the rack damaged in anyway?








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        Thanks; ATF in PS? 200 1988

        I’d suggest a fluid change in the P.S. using the turkey baster method. You can find a how-to by searching on YouTube. That will often improve operation substantially.








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          Thanks; ATF in PS? 200 1988

          Thanks. I've done that within the past month, flushing the entire power steering fluid system.

          Even with the new batch of non-synthetic Type F and confirming that the fluid is still pink, I'm still having the problems noted above.








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        Thanks; ATF in PS? 200 1988

        I’d suggest a fluid change in the P.S. using the turkey baster method. You can find a how-to by searching on YouTube. That will often improve operation substantially.








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      Another Leak (Solved) 200 1988

      FYI: this car taught me that the distributor has an oil seal that can leak. Fortunately, I was able to fix it a few months back.

      Given that all of the front seals have leaked on this car, I have a strong suspicion that the rear main oil seal leaks. I haven't seen any significant loss of oil, but I live on a hill and it's hard to find a flat area to park the car and let the engine get cold (long story).

      Next semester, I'm taking a transmission class and would like to replace the rear main seal (which looks like an absolute joy, based upon the FAQs) and the transmission seals.








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        Another Leak (Solved) 200 1988

        Take care with what seal you use.

        I've read on other forums, maybe here also, that the available rear main seals may not fit. I'm unsure what brands the forum posters were using.

        Also, as with the two lower oil seals in the front engine carrier (what some may call a timing) plate, the paper gasket may be brittle and not seal well. The hardware may not remain at factory torque.

        Like the output flange retaining nut that is barely snugged to secure it to the rear of M47, I found the seal carrier plates retaining hardware to be well under torque; about to let go. Decades of vibration and well-lubricated thread between the retainer stud and nut being the cause.

        So, consider a rear main seal carrier plate gasket replacement. Apply proper torque with clean thread when you do.

        Yet I'm unsure what brand seals and gasket to get. I used the thinner viton material seals. I believe all were OEM.

        Don't forget the round seal at the back of the cylinder head. These shrink and leak. I have to replace two. Yet I forget sometimes and believe there are the half moon shape seals like on 70s 240 (before low friction) overhead cam redblock.

        Oh, also, should you ever need to drop the oil plan, a service item I read on and have replaced a long time ago are the oil pump seals. They are orange Victor-Reinz seals. Art Benstein has a post here where he encountered a low oil pressure issue on a new 240 acquisition and one of the oil pump output tube seals was torn. The seal was where one of of the oil pump output tube seals into the block on the air intake side. A reminder.

        Hope that halps.

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          Another Leak (Solved) 200 1988

          Hi,

          This is the rear crankshaft seal that I have found that works just fine.

          Crankshaft Seal
          Timken/National
          355660H

          It has the 92 mm ID.
          Don’t use an Elrich brand as they come to big by one MM.


          Phil








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            Another Leak (Solved) 200 1988

            Thanks. Do you replace the rear main seal carriers, too, or just the seal?








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              Another Leak (Solved) 200 1988

              Hi,

              I have never noticed that the rear seal retainer has ever leaking.
              Doesn’t mean it couldn’t become an issue in time so I will have to look harder the next few time I have to change clutches or R&R my M47’s in the future.

              Same goes for a distributor “O” Ring. I have tried to pull distributors before. I actually had another younger person observe my frustration, that was pulling parts on other cars, at the PnP, help me yank one. He got up on top of the engine and gave it the big heave-ho with some super grippers for hands!
              They get really stuck in place. An unforgiving, crystalline like, rubber ring might explain that!

              Phil








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          Another Leak (Solved) 200 1988

          Spend the $$ on a rear cam seal retention plate(or make one) before it just falls out so you don't have an Exxon Valdez on your hands with oil spewing out the back of the head.








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            Another Leak (Solved) 200 1988

            Thanks.

            Do you mean the rear CRANKSHAFT seal retention plate? If so, where can I find it?

            Just to confirm FAQs, is the Volvo #6842160 rear main seal still okay to use:

            https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/volvo-crankshaft-seal-rear-6842160#desc


            Should I also get the carrier gasket:

            https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/volvo-engine-crankshaft-seal-cover-gasket-rear-940-740-760-780-164-240-244-245-242








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              Another Leak (Solved) 200 1988

              No the rear CAM shaft seal. IPD came up with a retaining plate that just bolts on $14.95.








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                Another Leak (Solved) 200 1988

                There is the rear camshaft hole seal on 240 here that iPd sells.

                https://www.ipdusa.com/products/5561/103560-volvo-rear-cam-seal-retainer-ipd-103560

                Easily fabricated by us, well, not me as no garage, though a finished machined thing like this is nice.

                This plate is a wafeguard to not blow out the rear engine yet iPd fabricated this plate as on race day, the engine is racing and so you have high oil sump pressure and pop goes that rear seal. Get it from Volvo. I do not know the OEM for this seal. Maybe Victor Reinz? I dunno. Don't get some after market seal. I have two of these to replace.

                I meant the rear main bearing seal plate carrier. Bolts to the block and use a seal press to press the rear main seal in. The paper thin gasket between the rear main bearing seal carrier plate and the block embrittles. I've replaced this twice or three times, yet not ever in the 21st century.

                Then there is the timing plate at tyhe front of the engine that the front crank and intermediate cam seal presses into. The gasket is also thin, old, and probably also brittle. I've replaced a few of these. Though on my 1991 240 sedan, this paper gasket seal failed and the engine was well-basted in engine oil along the block under the exhaust manifold. I found the hardware barely tight to snug. Not that the hardware require much torque. So I replaced the seal and the two front lower seals.

                Does that help? My describer may be off.

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      As the owner or service manual states ... 200 1988

      Thanks.

      When I first bought the car last year, the flame trap and oil separator were pretty much open (not clogged), but I cleaned them anyway.

      I tend to drive mostly city, though the engine is warmed up. How often should I drive it on the freeway to minimize sludge?

      Thanks








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        As the owner or service manual states ... 200 1988

        With engine control in fine fettle so you know all emission sensors and controls operate well, the engine should burn cleanly. LH-Jetronic 2.2 you have is sort of a sipper.

        I hope you have gotten into the air filter box and checked on the preheater flap valve disposition on the upstream side of the air filter. The thermostat (Wahler PN 70411) that controls the flap valve fails to all hot all the time and will fry an AMM. The silver accordion hose between the exhaust manifold heat shield and the bottom air filter box hot air inlet is an easy delete so long as your state or nation emissions do not mandate visual emission control inspection as they do in silly CA-state.

        As I'm well below the Mason-Dixon line in confederate flag Saint Louis, MOe, no emissions test so I removed the air filter box preheater flap valve assembly, delete the silver accordion hose. If you were in Edmonton CA and like enduring cold climes, I'd preserve the preheater function and use the OEM or Volvo thermostat. Replace Wahler (PN 70411) every year or two so I read yet do not know directly.

        So, not knowing the thermal performance of the engine, maybe once a week or so and some ten-twenty miles of sustained highway speed. As part of your usual errands so you do not waste fuel if you can. You need not floor it or maintain the engine as needlessly high RPM. Drive as normal yet no need to floor it. A light and easy touch on the gas pedal reduces emissions and maintains fuel economy. So, no need for floor it from the green light. Wen you floor it you ask engine control to dump more fuel than the engine can eat beyond fuel trim control (O2 sensor, Vehicle Speed Sensor) while fuel pressure rises to max with very low vacuum at the FPR yet longer spark dwell and injector open duration. Easy does it from stop lights.

        Though Uncle Old Duke complains about the FL-state motoring public giving a single finger salute as he does not floor it from the stop sign or green light. It's a normally aspirated Volvo 240. Going nowhere fast, yet meeting the speed limit easily in North America. And 240 is not the most aerodynamic, so minding the posted speed limits also means ok fuel economy. Yet I'd prefer 70 MPH than the earlier 1980s max of 55 MPH.

        The engine coolant temp gauge shows the engine coolant temp. There is latency in engine oil heating up well after coolant heats up. Yet as the engine coolant gauge is at the 9 AM position on the TEMP gauge, the oil does produce oil sump vapor the engine eats through the PCV. At sustained normal RPMs at the posted highway or freeway speed limit, collected moisture and heavier engine combustion products also boil out of the engine oil.

        Engine control is very efficient. With normal oil changes there should nto be any sludge. Sort of a myth unless large, high mass V8 engines in Detroit iron cars. Those engines would take a much longer time to heat up for the type motoring they would be used for. Also, they were not the most clean burning of autos before and after the early ERA emissions control years.

        The Italian tune-up was also concerned with carbon formation on the valve seats and bottom of the stem. There is some fact a sustained run as you would normally on the highway for some distance can help remove these deposits. You can hasten deposit removal using Chevron Techroline or Techron. Can also maybe remove stuff at the injector tip.

        Good your PCV was clear? Yet you had to replace the engine oil seal at the front? What of the rear of the cylinder head round seal. I have to replace this seal on two or three also.

        Blah, blah, blah all jacked up on earl grey tea now so better stop.

        Where is Uncle Old Duke?

        Questions? Sorry to ramble on and on and on.

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          As the owner or service manual states ... 200 1988

          Thanks.

          You wrote: "Yet you had to replace the engine oil seal at the front? What of the rear of the cylinder head round seal."

          Yes, I had leaking cam, intermediate, and crank seals AND the distributor seal. The rear cylinder seal was plastic and showed no signs of leakage. I'll look at it in a bit, though








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            As the owner or service manual states ... 200 1988

            And your PCV breathes easily and freely?

            I'm going to guess the front engine seals were orange? You replaced them with the brown or grey viton material seals or with orange seals (Victor Reinz? I forget the brand names).
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          As the owner or service manual states ... 200 1988

          Thanks.

          You wrote: "Yet you had to replace the engine oil seal at the front? What of the rear of the cylinder head round seal."

          Yes, I had leaking cam, intermediate, and crank seals AND the distributor seal. The rear cylinder seal was plastic and showed no signs of leakage. I'll look at it in a bit, though








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        As the owner or service manual states ... 200 1988

        Not so much a question of how often (more is better) as focusing on driving the car long enough on the highway to get the engine good and hot to help minimize sludge and carbon buildup. I’d say 20 minutes minimum. For my cars that aren’t regularly driven on the highway I also incorporate an “Italian tune up” during the run. Wait till the engine is good and warm then drop a gear if necessary and keep the revs up to 3500 rpm+ for 5 minutes or so. Great for burning off carbon and sludge!!

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          As the owner or service manual states ... 200 1988

          My Danish friend was trained by Volvo. They would do a "Danish tune-up" -- an 8 mile run on the highway in 3rd (pre-240 series-he came to the USA in 1970) foot to the floor. I drive all my Volvos hard - 144S, 245 and S40. Castrol GT in the 140 (many track miles) and 245 (now with 300k+) and Synthetic in the S40. - Dave








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    Motor Oil Grade and Brand; Engine Flush 200 1988

    Been using Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 10W-30 for a couple of years and think its a good choice. Seem to have a little power with it.








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    Motor Oil Grade and Brand; Engine Flush 200 1988

    Unless your red block has suffered some serious abuse in the past, I don't think you'll see much difference between any oil you put into it.

    IMO, Aye Roll nailed it six years ago: need final answer from sage who knows- is 92 b230 a flat tappet engine

    "All your B230 engine needs is oil and coolant. It really isn't that picky about brands, additives, grades, or specs.

    It's going to live to 300K miles or more as long as you keep the fluids inside it.

    It's going to live to 200K if you thoroughly neglect it. :)

    Do the oil changes, address the leaks, use a name brand oil, and use a MANN/Volvo oil filter. That is all you need.

    I've been taking apart these cars since they were new. I've owned almost 20 of them, all 86-93 cars. They do not have valvetrain issues. Period. Wear is not an issue. Running out of oil or coolant is an issue, and damage happens FAST.
    Concentrate on making it as reliable as possible.

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      Thanks; Partial Engine Rebuild 200 1988

      Thanks.

      In your 240s, what brand and viscosity did/do you use?

      My odometer broke, but I believe I have around 300k miles on the car. Next year, I'm going to take an engine repair class. Is there any value in my dropping the lower pan to replace the crankshaft bearing caps and oil pump o-ring?








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        Thanks; Partial Engine Rebuild 200 1988

        Catrol, Q-State, Pennzoil 5w-30 for the colder temps and 10w-30 for the warmer months 3-4k interval oil change depending upon your driving habits. All Dino oil as Synthetic is not needed .








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      Motor Oil Grade and Brand; Engine Flush 200 1988

      What he said -- ^^^^^

      Don't overthink this. Change ALL fluids regularly - period determined by the system. Do that and you'll be light years ahead on the big bits functioning as they should.

      Any 10w-30 ought to work just fine. If there's a particular brand you like, go for it. On a 300k mile engine, I wouldn't spend the money on synthetic - I'd just shorten up the interval a bit and use regular dino oil. If you're gonna go synth and use a longer interval, depending on what the interval is, you might want to consider a filter change in the middle of that longer interval.
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        Motor Oil Grade and Brand; Engine Flush 200 1988

        Thanks.

        Out of curiosity, what brand(s) of 10W-30 do you use?








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          Motor Oil Grade and Brand; Engine Flush 200 1988

          Our daily drivers are 2016, 2017 models. My 82 242 is powered by a 2016 crate LS3. All engines’ manufacturers recommend synthetic and the computerized oil change oil change minders on the ‘16 Subie and the ‘17 Mazda are predicated on that. I run Mobil1 0w-20 in all 3.
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    Motor Oil Grade and Brand; Engine Flush 200 1988

    15w x 40 shell rotella diesel engine oil... excellent for gas engines








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      Motor Oil Grade and Brand; Engine Flush 200 1988

      Thanks.

      Just to be clear, my engine is a B230F, non-turbo, without oil squirters, everything is stock, no racing.

      Have you noticed that diesel motor oil cleans the engine better than gas engine synthetic?

      According to FAQs and the oil cap, Volvo calls for 10W-30. Plus I read that Rotella is a Group iii, considered cheap, and is not the best brand, but rather Mobil 1 ESP and Pennzoil Platinum/Ultra Paltinum seem to be better.

      But not Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5W-50 because it has 1,300 ppm zinc, which is about 50% more zinc that gas engine oil

      Not Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5W-50 because it has 1,300 ppm zinc, which is about 50% more than API SN gas engine oil.

      Pennzoil.com, which is owned by Shell, does not offer diesel motor oil. The website lists recommended oil viscosity/products for my 1988 Volvo. As a parallel, my Toyota calls for 10W-30, like my Volvo, but Pennzoil.com recommends Ultra Platinum 5W-30 and not the high mileage Platinum 5W-30.


      According to Shell.com, My 1988 Volvo calls for Helix H7, 10W-40

      https://www.shell.com/motorist/find-the-right-oil.html#iframe=L21vdG9yaXN0L2ZpbmQtdGhlLXJpZ2h0LW9pbC9famNyX2NvbnRlbnQvcGFyL2lmcmFtZWRhcHAuc3RhdGljL2lmcmFtZS0yMzA4MTkuaHRtbCMvZ2IvZW4tZ2IvZXF1aXBtZW50LzI0MF8yXzBfODZrd19GYXdFY1doM2E








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        Motor Oil Grade and Brand; Engine Flush 200 1988

        I second the Shell Rotella T 15W-40 suggestion, 1 Pocket. I ran that brand for about 18 years in my '84, until I discovered Tractor Supply Co. Traveller 15W-40 dino oil, processed by Warren Distribution. I used that brand for the last 4 oil changes. I always compared the specs before changing from one brand to the other, but never really checked for zinc content. The Traveller oil was on sale sometimes for about $10 a gallon, a great deal.








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      I agree with the Shell Rotella T4 suggestion. I'ts all I've ever used in my "07 Toyota 4 runner, with almost 200,000 miles. I try to change it and the filter every 4000 miles. It runs great, doesn't use or leak any oil, & gets great gas mileage (V-6). I've heard that it has a high zinc content.








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        Motor Oil Grade and Brand; Engine Flush 200 1988

        Thanks. T4 Rotella is for heavy-duty truck applications, which have too high a zinc count which would damage the cat. Do they do 5 part emission gas checks for smog tests in your state?







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