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Cruse control 200 1985

What is the function of the ruse control retard breaker?
Is it supposed to have continuity?
Can I jumper it out of the circuit?








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    Cruse control 200 1985

    Do you have a picture because I'm not sure what you are talking about.








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      Cruse control 200 1985

      Is this what you're thinking?



      (another ArtB)

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      Art Benstein near Baltimore

      "but the plural of anecdote is data, right?" -drew








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        Cruse control 200 1985

        In your pic is the mercury switch that I think would cut off the cruise control if the car flips over.








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          Cruse control 200 1985

          Hi,

          I think you are correct that it’s made as a Mercury switch.
          The up hill angle of its body is there for the purpose of keeping the mercury laying at the lowest end.

          If the car goes down a really steep hill the switch will open.
          It could be considered a safety feature to prevent operation during mountain driving. It’s best not to use your cruise control under this condition anyways!
          I found, in East Scotland, one 20% grade for a couple miles and that made eyes bug out!
          I had rented a Ford Mondero, like a Mustang and the Second gear screamed 4,000 rpm’d the engine going down hill!
          I had plenty of speed, thank you!

          The next reason for the angle is if the car has a sudden stop, like a crash or panic stop conditions.
          I surmise that the circuit it is on, is one in the same as the foot pedals are on, or the stalk / turn signal switch. If those don’t work it will!
          Actual power in or to a grounding point, I don’t know, but possible? So breaker, maybe, sort of?

          For information:
          Mercury switches were commonly used on low voltage controls, like home thermostat devices.
          Mercury is not limited to these type of applications, as I have seen them use in convection reheat ovens, as a main contactor or relay to turn on and off heating elements with a one horsepower blower fan.
          Very very reliable and must still be used for quite awhile.
          40-50 amperages @ 480 volts of three phase power is lots of watts! Trust me, the disconnect plug-in cords on these ovens were huge! Two handed huge!

          The beauty of Mercury it is a liquid that continually rotates its contact surfaces so there is far less pitting or arcing residue complaints. In most cases, they are forever operational.
          For humans to care about, that’s a while! (:-)

          A thought on these switches is that, they disappeared due to Mercury’s toxicity!
          Consequently these switches in our trunk & dome lights in the older cars, will be no more!
          Temporarily, we went back to mechanical levers and weighted types that are more subject to weathering and corrosion damage.
          Thankfully or NOT? The introduction of more black boxes with “CAN buses,” the digital age has replaced many applications.
          I wonder how It works with massive amounts of semiconductors to carry the high wattage jobs, reliably, since I retired 15 years ago, so maybe, not completely!

          That picture, in the other post, is a snap shot for history and Volvo car buffs!
          Yes, that what I was trying to describe, Art!
          Thanks,

          Phil








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            Cruise control 200 1985

            Hi Phil,

            I enjoyed that story about the 20% grade in Scotland. I thought 10% was steep. In fact, every trip to town I make encounters a 9% grade.

            The mercury switch is a backup for the brake light switch. The cruise box dumps the throttle actuator vacuum when it doesn't see a ground (low voltage) at pin 15. Normally with feet off the brake (or clutch) pedal pin 15 is held low through the low resistance of the brake lamps.

            But, the circuit through the brake lamps is prone to trouble, as anyone who's worked on the bulb failure sensor and sedan taillight wiring is well aware of. Throw in trailer lighting, and you can see why someone threw in this mercury switch to make certain the cruise wouldn't fight you trying to brake quickly.

            The angle of the sensor maintains a connection until inertia from rapid decel moves the mercury up the ramp away from the contacts. I measure the ramp at, what do you know, 20°! A 35% grade.

            In the map (Bentley p 360-14) the mercury switch is labeled "Mercury retard switch" so I pretty much know ArtB has basis for his terms.

            Interesting about the disappearance of mercury switches. It has been a few years since I've "cruised" the pick'n'pull junkyards, but I recall our Crazy Ray's chain, purchased by the big LKQ began removing the under-hood and trunk lights before presenting the cars to the general public.
            --
            Art Benstein near Baltimore

            What's the fastest liquid on earth? Not mercury, but milk, because it's pasteurized before you see it.








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    Cruse control 200 1985

    Hi there,

    No returns on your post because we don’t know and you don’t know, what you are talking about?

    A little more introduction is needed with some correct terminology on what you are looking into as a problem with a CRUISE CONTROL.
    There is no retard but there is a resume slide button? A Breaker is a power fuse.
    On some earlier cars there was a crash switch mounted on the firewall to a bracket in an upward angle. Now that might be a breaker in a sense?

    Yep “we” need to know more, not a book, but at least something closer to a page of paragraphs!
    (:-)

    Phil







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