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WINDSHIELD INSTALL COMPLAINT (or not?) 200 1985


WINDSHIELD INSTALL COMPLAINT

Soliciting your thoughts regarding the recent windshield replacement on my 1985 245 “Daisy”. The main question to be answered is:

1. Cosmetic issues aside, does this replacement present any increased risk going forward encouraging rust by allowing easier accumulation of water and debris beneath the original chrome trim “seal”?

If you want to read further, you could also consider offering your comment on:

2. What do you think of this service?

THE INSTALLATION

My most recent, previous windshield replacement experience was in 2014 on my wife’s 1985 244 “Alfsen”, using the same shop. The windshield they installed was a FW667 1991+ type with integral trim. My understanding, at the time, this was the common, universal replacement.

What I received this time was a FW404 windshield with retention of the original chrome trim and “seal”. Now I know that “seal” really doesn’t do much other than keep larger amounts of water and debris out of the window channel. What I am concerned about is the now 36 year-old “seal” has a couple of small pieces taken out of it indicative both its deterioration and lack of care in handling. On one top corner it is about 1/ 32” proud of the body. Along the bottom edge the “seal” sits back about 3/16” from its original position. A nice, black line now shows at the position originally occupied by the “seal”. Makes me wonder how well the glass was positioned to allow this condition.

I have had “Daisy” for only 16 years, but I would like to keep her for many more hence my concern about anything that encourages rust.

PETTY GRIPES

When I showed up for my appointment, the installer took one look at “Daisy” and immediately stated something along the lines of “Oh, this is going to take most of the day as you have the original butyl which is hard to remove and must be completely gone for the urethane to bond.” I might be mistaken, but I believe he made that assessment based only on seeing the original trim. In any event, why not ask when the appointment was scheduled?

When I picked up “Daisy” I was surprised the original trim had been reinstalled. I pointed to “Alfsen”, who had graciously carried me back to the shop and asked why a similar FW667 had not been installed. The response, “Oh that’s a later year.” Um, nope, nope its not!

“Daisy” and I were halfway home before we discovered that the “Good to Go” toll sticker was now lying dirty and torn in the change tray. Not a show stopper, but aggravating and an additional $5 expense. Apparently, most other shops make a point of advertising they carefully transfer all stickers to your new windshield.

Do these guys know what they’re doing? It’s not like old 240’s are a rarity in Seattle. Would you be satisfied? Am I getting too grumpy in my old age?








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    WINDSHIELD INSTALL COMPLAINT (or not?) 200 1985

    Glad to know you're still around. Tatra Mike, the guy who keeps my 245's tail gate unslammed and alive yet!

    Now, what surprises me about your post is: It is 2021 and you got a glass professional to install an FW404. I thought they wouldn't do it, because (1) they can only trust a structural bond (which they are sure was a requirement since glass was discovered) with urethane if the glass comes with the frit around the edge and (2) because they'd feel somehow liable if they used a tape kit. See the 404 vs 667 controversy embedded somewhere within my page here:

    (click on the image for full view)

    Not sure what good complaining about work done to an antique by a non-specialist business will accomplish unless your bargaining skills can get you a re-do.

    If "the book" says the FW667 won't fit, there's little hope of making your installer think you know better. Of course, someone on here will pop up and say the integral seal won't be quite as wide as the old one, so there will be a bit of unfaded paint showing. Does white fade?



    Thank you for this great idea. If anyone needs the image files, I still have them.


    --
    Art Benstein near Baltimore

    “Never underestimate the difficulty of changing false beliefs by facts.” --- Henry Rosovsky








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      WINDSHIELD INSTALL COMPLAINT (or not?) 200 1985

      Gee, you're using my Volvo Wagon anti-slam sign! Art, I do indeed feel honored.

      That sign hanging down is hard to miss (although I'm sure there is someone out there who could).



      Here's the original post:

      brickboard.com/RWD/volvo/1210345/220/240/260/280/tailgate_signlabels_help_prevent_slamming_rear_hatch.html








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    WINDSHIELD INSTALL COMPLAINT (or not?) 200 1985

    Was it your intent to include an image with your post?

    Did they use the proper "kit" to reinstall the trim, or did they simply glue it back on?
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    Any twenty minute job is just a broken bolt away from a three day ordeal








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      HERE BE THE PHOTOS 200 1985

      "Was it your intent to include an image with your post?"

      Lately, at my age, I'm never quite sure what I'm up to ;-)

      "Did they use the proper "kit" to reinstall the trim, or did they simply glue it back on?"

      Your guess is as good as mine!

      Okay here are photos:



      Damaged "seal".



      Damaged "seal".



      "Seal sits proud of body.



      "Seal" not in original position.



      Damaged toll sticker.

      All smudges are courtesy of the installer!








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