Volvo RWD 200 Forum

INDEX FOR 10/2025(CURRENT) INDEX FOR 4/2017 200 INDEX

[<<]  [>>]


THREADED THREADED EXPANDED FLAT PRINT ALL
MESSAGES IN THIS THREAD




  REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE    PRINT   SAVE 

Key very hard to turn to turn car on OR off. Later it worked normally 200 1982

Hi all,

Yesterday evening in a rather chilly (by California standards) parking lot, I found it very hard to turn the key in the ignition. I tried turning the steering wheel as one does when it locks up if you turn the wheel wrong when parking, but that didn't help. (It was a diagonal parking space so I don't think I turned the wheel much when parking.)

I finally managed to turn the key, start the car, and back out and turn to leave, but the car didn't sound or feel right. I think there was a whirring sound. (There also was the sound you get when you try to turn on the car but it's already on. Not sure if I actually did that at one point -- I was flustered.)

I decided something was wrong with the car and tried to turn it off. >>>I couldn't turn the key to turn off the car!<<< Eventually I was able to force the key to turn and turn off the engine.

I called roadside assistance, but they were taking so long that I tried turning the key again. And then the key & car worked normally. I drove home, turned the car off and on at one point. Tried it this morning -- turning the key felt a bit stiff, but nothing like yesterday night.

>>>Any thoughts on what is or was wrong with the car? Could something I did wrong have led to this behavior, or there clearly a problem with the car?<<<

It was colder out than usual, but only by California standards. My key has long had a little twist in it but that hasn't caused problems before.








  •   REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE    PRINT   SAVE 

    Key very hard to turn to turn car on OR off. Later it worked normally 200 1982

    A worn key is a distinct possibility. Coupled with worn tumbler pins in the most frequently used locks (ignition and driver door) it can start making for a problem. Initially wiggling a key may help. A bent key doesn't help if it binds in the keyway or tumbler pins don't ride properly.

    If trying a spare key works well then a locksmith should be able to trace cut another key if they can find an aftermarket blank. Note that there are two types of keys that came with the car, the master key that fits all locks and the valet key that only does the door and ignition. The difference is only the blank keyway slots, not the cut. When you try a spare key, if it doesn't work in the trunk then that's why. Also, Volvo sells both types of key blanks, but locksmiths can usually only get the master blank unless they go through Volvo.

    If trying an alternate key isn't an improvement then consider having a new key properly cut as you did last time. Some locksmiths may be better at this than others.

    Start off by talking to your local Volvo Dealer Service to see if thay can make the key. First off, the genuine Volvo keys are stainless steel quality that don't wear as quickly and aren't easily bent, unlike most of the generic blanks available. The key code number was in the Owner Manual. It was not stamped on the keys. If you no longer have the manual then the dealer can get the key code from Volvo using the VIN (presumably wanting proof of ownership). Your dealer has (at least used to have) a key punch and die kit that punches a proper new key rather than cut grinding. For a well used key cutter at the dealer, the dies as they got worn would sometimes cut less than a perfect key that may be difficut to use in some or all locks. Burnishing the key heavily with a wire wheel, multiple times if necessary, would usually get the key working properly.

    Failing the dealer being able to help, most locksmiths, like the one you used before, should be able to cut a reasonable facsimile starting with the VIN and waiting for a response from Volvo. Sometimes they also need to order the blank from Volvo if they can't find an aftermarket blank, also meaning you get a good quality key. You can tell a genuine key as it should be the only one with the trademarked Volvo name on it. Ideally, have the car at the locksmith shop or use a mobile locksmith so they can ensure the key works smoothly and can lubricate the locks and burnish the keys as needed.
    --
    Dave -still with 940's, prev 740/240/140/120 You'd think I'd have learned by now








    •   REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE    PRINT   SAVE 

      Key very hard to turn to turn car on OR off. Later it worked normally 200 1982

      Thanks, Dave! That's very helpful and interesting about the difference between the valet key and the master key. The master key the locksmith made also works on the passenger side door. (Actually they work better on that door because the driver's door lock was affected by an accident.) The trunk key is shorter than the other.

      Though I'm not the original owner, I do have the owner's manual. I don't have the original keys, nor as far as I know do I have the little metal tag with the key code number.

      The owner's manual says to to write the key code number in the front of the manual. Though the original owner was very conscientious about scheduled maintenance, he didn't write the key code number in the manual.

      So if I were to have another key made, it looks like I should either try to use the VIN and contact Volvo, or have a locksmith do it the same way they did before.

      My key is only very slightly twisted, so I worry that the main problem may be with the lock. My mechanic also hoped the problem was with the key because, as he said, "the lock is obsolete." Ouch.

      On the positive side, the key & ignition have behaved themselves since Tuesday. I think the mechanic put some lock lubricant in the lock, which may have helped.

      Thanks again!








  •   REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE    PRINT   SAVE 

    Key very hard to turn to turn car on OR off. Later it worked normally 200 1982

    Hi,

    In reading your post the part about having a twisted key is concerning but the California coldness comparison to other state side climates would have little to do with the internals of the locks tumblers per say.
    In my opinion a twisted key hasn’t done the inserting slot channels in the lock any good.
    So like you handle on the post old but goodly-worn could be the case at this point.

    The pins in the cylinder have to pushed up their required amounts in order to rotate through other channels provided in the circumference of cylinder.
    The vertical alignment is done from the sides of the insertion slot.

    I would at least flatten the key straight a long time ago.
    I have bent my keys before while still in my pockets from laying on my keys with more than just change in the pocket. A twisted key is from other forces and probably from our own doing.

    Does a door lock or the trunk lock could have contributed but in my case I have several Volvos and I usually pick the wrong key or the wrong car was in my absentmindedness.
    With that I try to be aware of how much pressure to put on the key.
    A bent key is bad enough but a twisted one doesn’t do any good to the lock it got twisted in or those after it.
    The continual use of it in, one lock over and over, will take its toll.

    I suggest straightening the key or use another one altogether would be best.
    You might try using some graphite powder blown into the lock to help minimize more tumbler and groove wear in the damaged cylinder.
    The tumbler pins can shave loose fragments and those turn into rocks or a grit like substance that needs to move on down inside the lock. The graphite can help with all of that.
    You can get in dry or wet formulations with the wet being more of an evaporating solvent if you suspect gummy gunk has entered into the scene a long the way.
    Luckily on our 240s the cylinders have never been pointed upwards into the air to catch who know what, especially, cigarette ashes.
    The new cars, with all the gadgets in the steering wheels, have issues that are lot more complex from human interaction too.

    Hope this helps zero in on your problem and provide some guidance as to what you may be dealing with.

    Phil








    •   REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE    PRINT   SAVE 

      Key very hard to turn to turn car on OR off. Later it worked normally 200 1982

      Thanks for your insights. Looking at the key, it's only a tiny bit twisted, but as you note, that may not help. I assume it got twisted from me trying to turn it in sticky locks, especially probably the driver's side door lock, which hasn't worked the same ever since someone drove into that door a few years ago. (I tried to replace the door but the person at the body shop said they were hard to find.)

      Because the key is only a little twisted, I think I need to consult with someone who knows more about locks and keys than I do. Even if I managed to twist it back, I wouldn't want to twist it or bend it too far in the other direction...

      I will check out graphite but again, maybe the lock should be examined by a professional so I don't make things worse.

      I will try to find my spare car key, which may still be at the neighbor's. That said, after I lost my keys, these keys were made by a locksmith based on the locks. I ended up using the key that worked better. So the spare may not be an improvement.

      I take your point that the weather shouldn't play a role, but as I noted in response to the other helpful poster, heating up the car itself (by running it) may have helped. Or maybe it was just chance that it started working again 20 minutes after having the problems I described...

      Thanks again.








  •   REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE    PRINT   SAVE 

    Key very hard to turn to turn car on OR off. Later it worked normally 200 1982

    Glad to hear things are at least somewhat back to normal.

    I'm not a locksmith, or a pro mechanic. But it seems to me that either wear in the lock cylinder, wear in the key, or (very likely) the twist in the key, perhaps a combination of those factors, is causing the pins in the cylinder to not fully engage. This is permitting the lock to turn, but with much friction. The sound you heard after starting was the starter motor pinion failing to disengage with the ring gear on the flexplate. This occurred since the friction in the ignition cylinder was greater than what the return spring could overcome.

    The issue seems better now, but I suspect it will return. Trying to straighten the key would be my first step. It should be brass, a very malleable material that should straighten easily. A bench vise with brass jaw inserts would be the ideal tool to hold the key while you twist it back, but you can improvise. If the key looks worn, maybe just have another made. Not a copy of that, but a new one by someone who can do it from the code (dealer). Do you happen to have a spare - even the service / valet key, to compare?

    Good thought on the ambient temp, but living in New England all my life, much of that with older cars, has never presented this issue with an ignition key. Door locks, sure. The tailgate latch on my 945 is frozen as I type this. There are lock lubricants, which I use, but I wouldn't do it for the ignition unless out of the column, for fear the stuff might make its way into the switch located at the end of that cylinder.

    Hope this can help - Wilson.








    •   REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE    PRINT   SAVE 

      Key very hard to turn to turn car on OR off. Later it worked normally 200 1982

      Hi Wilson,

      Thanks, that's very helpful. I worry that the wear may be in the lock, but it does make sense to start (so to speak) with the key. Thanks for explaining the starter noise. (It was my impression that engine area also smelled strange after that.) I appreciate the warning about using lock lubricants in the ignition.

      This isn't the original key. A couple years ago, I somehow lost my keys; a locksmith made new car keys based on the locks themselves. (Expensive.) I need to find the spare. (The neighbor may still have it from when I went out of town and he was willing to move the car if need be.)

      The key has long had a little twist in it. You're right that the keys must be something soft like brass, with a silver (nickel?) coating. I'm guessing that repeated difficulties with either the door lock or the ignition is how my keys get twisted. But combined with other problems in the system, the twist may not be helping.

      Good idea about getting keys made from the original code. Is that likely to be available for a key for a car that's over 40 years old?

      I take your point that in general, cold weather should not cause ignition keys to fail. That said, the car ran for several minutes before I managed to turn it off. I wonder whether that heated the lock up enough so the pins engaged more fully. It's not the only thing in my old car that works better after the car's been running for a while...

      My regards to the tailgate latch on your 945.

      Thanks again!








      •   REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE    PRINT   SAVE 

        Key very hard to turn to turn car on OR off. Later it worked normally 200 1982

        I'm not certain where I got the idea of making a duplicate key from a code on the key - probably from my collection of Thule keys. I think cars from this period may have come with a code tag attached to the original keys. I had a '71 Porsche which came to me with one attached to the ring. This is probably a legitimate way to do this, but alas, if that existed, it's long gone. Hopefully someone with a better grasp on this can help.

        Nowadays, manufacturers keep the key info on record, and can order replacements based on proof of ownership. Did a couple of modern BMW keys this way. Modern Volvo (at least up to P1 chassis) makes it really complex, as they can cut the emergency key on site, but they also need your car to program it to the key. If anyone ever buys a Volvo from this period, and it comes with only one key (as I did), ask the seller to knock $400 off, because that's what the replacement costs. This stuff factors in to why I went back to an older car. That, and maybe it's my lite-version of a mid-life crisis...

        As for my tailgate lock - that was totally self-inflicted. I wanted to wash my wife's car, and just as I went outside with the sudsy bucket, she had to leave. So I washed my (fairly clean) car instead. And it froze overnight. I think the little flap that's supposed to keep water out isn't working on that lock. It's better now. So that's my next tip: don't wash a clean car - particularly in winter.








        •   REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE    PRINT   SAVE 

          Key very hard to turn to turn car on OR off. Later it worked normally 200 1982

          Hi Wilson, I was able to confirm by using the owner's manual that a key code should exist, though I don't have that code. If need be, I hope that the dealer can still supply it based on the VIN.

          As I note in another comment, I'm not sure the key is at fault and am worried about the lock. And so far the problem has not recurred, though as you noted earlier, it's quite likely that it will.

          But I could definitely have another key made, though as you note they are pricey things. In the meantime, I hope to find my spare key that was made by the same locksmith, though it was slightly less good than my current key and may make no difference.

          I'm also wondering whether there was any other way I could have created the problem -- whether it could've been something I did rather than the lock and key. But that seems unlikely and I'm probably just in denial.

          Washing a fairly clean car sounds like a virtuous thing, though apparently it caused trouble. I should wash my car much more often -- I tend to wait until intermittent rain will provide the rinse part.







<< < > >>



©Jarrod Stenberg 1997-2022. All material except where indicated.


All participants agree to these terms.

Brickboard.com is not affiliated with nor sponsored by AB Volvo, Volvo Car Corporation, Volvo Cars of North America, Inc. or Ford Motor Company. Brickboard.com is a Volvo owner/enthusiast site, similar to a club, and does not intend to pose as an official Volvo site. The official Volvo site can be found here.