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Under dash padding - drivers side - how it mounts? 200

About 5 years ago I took the dash all apart on my 240 Wagon and replaced the heater motor, core, and entire A/C system. I carefully bagged up these clips (see dropbox link for the pic), screws, and the rubber donut that hold up the under dash padding. But now it has been so long that I don't remember how the screws were used and where those 3 clips go.
Can anyone refresh my memory?

Bruce









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    Under dash padding - drivers side - how it mounts? 200

    Use the under dash panel as a guide. The rubber donut goes under the vent first to loosely hold the panel in place. Two (sometimes three) large flat headed 90 degree plastic clips hold the panel to the rectangular slotted metal tabs at the firewall. Three (sometimes four) flat 90 degree plastic clips hold the top of the panel to rectangular slots in the under dash panel and steering column. In later 700/900 models with plastic under panels, the upper thumbscrews are instead plastic screws. The upper plastic screws and studs often have a plastic retaining washer on the back side that gets lost, but these washers are unimportant. Use a slot headed stubby screwdriver for all of them. Don't get carried away, if the slots aren't aligned you can mangle the plastic studs.
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    Dave -still with 940's, prev 740/240/140/120 You'd think I'd have learned by now








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      Under dash padding - drivers side - how it mounts? 200 1990

      On the 240, 90 and later, it is different. That's why I asked for clarification on the year. The image below is the passenger side, but Broos is asking about the driver side, made a bit more complicated in the airbag cars.



      (from Dash Held in by 7 Screws)

      With the airbag cars, the twist fasteners are gone, and spring clips join the padding to the sheet metal edges before the knee bolster is attached. The rubber ring does work like before, sealing the heater outlet opening.

      I've had four of these apart and have yet to find one with a clean installation of that padding on the driver side above the knee bolster. I'm unable to provide the information Broos is looking for, in detail, such as where the clips attach. I have a feeling he will figure it out if he has a crisp new felt to install, and then will educate us.
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      Art Benstein near Baltimore








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        Under dash padding - drivers side - how it mounts? 200 1990

        On the drivers side felt - there is no way the clips are involved in mounting the felt. The knee bolster holds up the upper edge of the felt by itself. I now realize that the clips are for mounting various wires to the metal framework under the dash so they aren't dangling about. I wish I had taken pictures of exactly how they were arranged originally, but they are gainfully employed once again in places that make sense for keeping the wiring tidy.

        As Art noted below, there are two of the 1/4-turn pinwheel fasteners that hold the lower edge of the drivers side felt in place.








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        Under dash padding - drivers side - how it mounts? 200 1990

        Hi Art, I took a chance it was pre-1990 w/o air bags (needing the knee bolster) and just the felt panels he was talking about. My advice of using the felt panels as a guide to the number of fasteners and where they go still applies. You can often see impressions of the size of the fastener head, evidence of where clips were and scratches the barbed clips put in plastic panels. All your pics of dash disassembly might once have given me great apprehension, but after you've done these kinds of jobs a few times it's mostly just tedious, knowing which fasteners and bits of trim you need to be extra careful with, maybe having a backup plan for broken studs using sticky, black butyl mastic caulk, and being organized with your parts as you go, not at the end of the day.
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        Dave -still with 940's, prev 740/240/140/120 You'd think I'd have learned by now








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        Under dash padding - drivers side - how it mounts? 200 1990

        The passenger side felt was easy because it just uses those plastic 1/4-turn "pinwheel" fasteners into rectangular slots. Unfortunately I seem to have lost the lower 1/4-turn fastener that blends into the back plastic kick panel on the side of the heater. Does anyone out there know if you can buy these somewhere?

        As for figuring it out on the drivers side - I have put the felt (old original but still crisp enough) up there without using any of the clips or screws. I can see now that the edge of the felt comes to the edge of the metal framework that the knee bolster attaches to. The edge of that metal must be where the clips go. The clips are metal, so it sounds like they are different from what is used on the 940. I think it is going to work by sliding the barbed part over the metal and the mouth of the rectangular shape over the edge of the felt.

        I am still mystified by where the two black metal screws go.

        As far as I could tell, I was the first person to take this apart in 2017 so it was an example of a clean install. Too bad I didn't take detailed notes or pictures. It seemed like it would be obvious at the time, but I didn't anticipate how life would happen and the 5 year gap that resulted.








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          Under dash padding - drivers side - how it mounts? 200 1990

          The screws in your picture look like (3) below, if they are M6 tapping machine screws. There are six like those that as a minimum must come out to separate the dash from the framework.



          Unfortunately, there are more of those screws bolting the framework together that don't necessarily need to be removed to do the project you did, so if you look at the "7 screws" identified in this page, you might not see any empty spots:

          Dash Held in by 7 Screws
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          Art Benstein near Baltimore








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            Under dash padding - drivers side - how it mounts? 200 1990

            Ah, the dashboard mounting screws. They sure look just like those. These two were packaged with the parts from the drivers side felt removal. I will have to get back in there with a good flashlight and see if I can figure out what I missed.

            Are there any of those plastic pinwheel-style 1/4 turn fasteners used on the drivers side felt? I don't seem to find any holes in the felt where they would go...








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              Under dash padding - drivers side - how it mounts? 200 1990

              Here's a Volvo schematic of the later 240 dash assembly to help supplement Art's pics in this discussion.


              (full parts list is here https://www.volvopartswebstore.com/showAssembly.aspx?ukey_assembly=242099&ukey_make=865&ukey_model=20826&modelYear=1990&ukey_category=7854&ukey_driveLine=394&searchString=dash)

              Those missing 1/4 turn plastic screw studs (#19 in the schematic) at the bottom of the center console side panel are unique to 240s of all model years. The black ones (used in later years) are p/n 1234286; the common beige one is p/n 1307258; early brown is p/n 1307260. In the current Volvo parts chain these are listed as "see dealer". Dealer service and Volvo indies usually keep a parts box of such fasteners for use by their mechanics, so worth a visit or phone call. Failing that, a parts car is your best source, either at a yard or advertised online. Simplest may be to reach out on social media and Volvo forums such as here with the color you need for someone who has a couple they'd be willing to mail you, like for a small e-transfer fee.


              If the two, small Phillips head screws at the very bottom above the carpet (#20 in the schematic) go missing, a suitably sized standard Phillips head sheet metal screw can be used, maybe using a felt pen to blacken the head for looks.

              Any missing large flat headed, knurled edge, 90 deg, black plastic screws (#28 in the schematic) are common to all the 140/240/700/900 RWDs. Most Volvo and indie shops will have a good collection. Those are p/n 1247572 and still available in the Volvo parts chain for a couple of bucks. BTW, if the end tab loops get flattened so they no longer hold well, wedge a scrap of rubber in the loop. In a pinch, a cut down large plastic drywall expander can be used with a washer, sometimes not needing a screw, instead inserting a scrap of something to spread the tips and jamming in a screwdriver to turn it. Again, a felt pen can be used for looks.


              As for the driver side felt, I believe there should be two of those knurled, flat headed plastic fasteners at the firewall. The front edge of the panel may well just be secured to the knee bolster by those large barbed clips. It's not clear to me from the schematics which way they go. If you can't easily figure it out then, in general, such barbs normally go into the harder material and/or have that side of the tab accessible to be able to slip a screwdriver under for removal.

              As for the fasteners for the knee bolster assembly (required for air bags), the Torx headed metal screws under the rectangular plastic plugs used in the face are common to a number of similar under dash locations in later 240/700/900s and more. Earlier versions with Phillips heads (large #3, flat tipped) can also be used.

              Your comment that it's been 5 years since you took everything apart made me chuckle. We've all been through this. Whenever I take a major assembly apart, at the start of the job I always ask myself, "Will I remember how all this goes back together, which fasteners go where and where I've stashed them?" For a same day or weekend job (or if it's a job I've done dozens of times, like tearing apart my Volvo consoles and dash), I'll usually trust my memory and put the fasteners in an obvious place. Maybe also for a one or two week job, but beyond that I'll worry there will be one or two fasteners I can't remember what they look like or where I tucked them, now making for a treasure hunt, soon becoming frustrating, also leading to finding other wayward things to further distract from the project. Referring to Volvo schematics on Genuine Volvo parts sites such as the above can be very helpful. Some people tape fasteners in place or on the part, which is great as long as they stay taped, better still use a plastic sandwich bag. For machine asssemblies, there's always doing a trace or sketch on a piece of cardboard and poking the fasteners through. When multiple parts are involved, such as tearing the dash down, I usually have a number of cardboard boxes nearby where I'll throw in just a few parts from an area along with their fasteners. Worst jobs I've done are heater cores, requiring a semi-full teardown of the dash and copnsole area then waiting a number of weeks for parts. Those were at least 5 cardboard box jobs, plus all four footwell areas and every other corner I could safely stash parts. Worst part is working with black fasteners in a black interior, either in a dark garage or with a low sun trying to blind me.
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              Dave -still with 940's, prev 740/240/140/120 You'd think I'd have learned by now








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              Under dash padding - drivers side - how it mounts? 200 1990

              I was thinking, sit comfortably and use a mirror and flashlight as you look in the six places I point out in that write-up on the 90 dash.

              Now, on both my 89's there are five of those pinwheels for the driver side felt. I've been in there a lot lately, mucking with the chinabay keyless units I hide up there. Those fasteners are rough in the winter. Tear up my thin skin when I forget a small slotted screwdriver. But I don't believe you have any under the steering wheel, or maybe just two at the floor, I forget.
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              Art Benstein near Baltimore







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