Hi,

I was wondering if anyone has any idea how to reduce emissions on a 1965 122s? Is this even possible? I live in CA and was wondering if there's any way to make my car a little cleaner running.

Thanks!

I thought that in California cars 25 years old and older were exempt from smog....???

My brother just registered a 1972 Ford Pickup, no smog required.

gl

In Colorado, Denver area, ALL cars require smog test. Yes, even a 1912 cadillac!

Cars over 25 years old do not need to pass smog to renew the registration, but, I believe, 1962 and newer cars need a smog inspection when they change hands.

I just purchased a 1965 122 last year (in CA) and did not need any type of smog inspection through the DMV when ownership changed hands.

The DMV here in Clifornia requires smog for any car 1974 or newer.

'73 or older require no smog compliance.

Gary

The emissions from a good condition B18 with twin SU's. providing it is all in good condition andin tune are not that bad, hardened valve seats and unleaded gas help.

Currently I'm playing with modern mappaple ignition for a project I'm building which should improve matters further.

In addition rememer that the overall environmental impact from building cars is far greater than that from running them over a lifetime, so just by running the 122, rather than some modern motor you're helping the environment.

Regards

Peter wrote--

" In addition rememer that the overall environmental impact from

> building cars is far greater than that from running them over a

> lifetime, so just by running the 122, rather than some modern motor

> you're helping the environment."

Pete, I've been wondering about this forever! Is it possible this has at last been studied responsibly? Where can I learn about it?

> Regards

virg

There was an article about it in as far as I remember New Scientist.

Some of the other stuff there was quite amusing too, like the habit the popular press has of linking lead in gas to ozone depletion, it doesn't get up there. And don't get me started on enviromentally friendly electric cars, with the power station belching crap conveniently out of sight. I've looked for the article but can't find it at the moment. I moved not so long ago and it's in with the stuff I'll sort out one day on the loft.

Regards

Peter;

I'll be checking out that article with interest...thanks also for voicing a bit of common sense!

Regarding electric vehicles...(in addition to being ugly enough to make one wretch) they are NOT [Zero emission], they are [Remote Emission] as you correctly point out!

After they recover from their lobotomys, the eco-freaks should maybe go after Sadam Hussein for all the crap the oil wells (he ordered torched) put in the atmosphere...oh that's right they can't...in his country, they'd be "dissappeared". Has anyone determined if the emissions from >100 free burning oil wells had even a detectable affect on the atmosphere?

Regards,

I can tell you for a 100% absolute fact that the emissions

restrictions they have put into place in the southern california

area have enormously improved the quality of life here. The area

I live, riverside, use to be a place where people had to paint

their house every 3-6 years or else live in a house that was

black from soot. Where I grew up (same basic air basin) the

smog would be so bad in the 1970s that you sometimes couldn't

see across the street or the playground.

Now, it is quite pleasant. There are still many days in the

summers where the air is very nasty, and at particular times of

the day it is almost as bad as it was in the 1970s all day long,

but the situation has improved quite a lot.

I've been to places with lower emissions restrictions on their

cars -- walking around in england is really somewhat unpleasant

if you must do it near a busy street. Until recently, they even

had lead in their gas which is stark raving insanity.

Electric cars in themselves are a pretty silly idea, although

their stated goal is to:

1: suck the electricity out of the grid late at night when the big

power plants must remain on at a certain capacity in order to be

able to work later (so essentially the power at this time is going

to waste since there is too much of it to be used, even in

california)

2: be able to drive around in a useful way all day on the over-night

charge.

3: cause the manufactureres to develop useful technologies that can

be useful in other more general purpose vehicles.

It should be observed that honda, a company that has made electric

cars that are generally useful (UCR has a fleet of them that are

charged all night and used by faculty staff and students to drive

around the city in the daytime to run errands and such) and has used

the same basic technology to develop the first generally useful

hybrid car.

So maybe it should be your right to releive your bladdar wherever

you feel the need, and you resent the restrictions placed upon you

by society, but frankly it is always easiest to get rid of your

problems by making them someone elses.

I grew up in the smoggiest part of the smoggiest city in the USA.

I'm glad the government did something to change the situation. I

will probably live longer for it and I know that even if I don't my

life is quite a bit better for it, every moment of every day.

If you feel that these emissions things are just the ravings of

crazy people, visit places that are actually polluted. If you still

feel this way, I guess you are welcome to continue to, but please do

so within the confines of your own garage.

chris

I must say ypu've got a point there...

Since i live in Bangkok... very poluted... It used to be alot worst 10 years ago, but now you atleast need to pass their co and hc levels in order to get new registration every year...and they even sometimes have cop check-stops to see if your car is running 'dirty' or not... and then they'll put a sticker on your car if you're 'dirty' But it's a big difference now...

(See if you have an old car here... you can just change the engine to any type... they don't care, just as long your car is running clean... and the cost of those good used engines+trannie, and all the stuff to it is about the same as getting the old b20 rebuild. Uhh, forgot to say this, Volvso are considered as luxury cars here so the part prices go 'luxury' too.)

There definitely was a study done and papers presented. I read an editorial against the destroying of old cars, and it quoted and foot-noted the source. The % was way up there, too - way over 50% of all pollution was spewed out while making the car. I want to say 80%, but since I can't find the article, I use 50%.

The greens ignore those stats.

Wow, a responsible driver! I see a lot of older and rustier Volvos and Saabs up in New England (mostly VT), all free of pollution controls, some belching black smoke, and driven by environmental types who like to plaster the back with bumper stickers for a cleaner environment. None of them either realize or care that the car they drive emits more crud than fifteen or twenty late-model machines. So you get the Responsible Driver of the Year award.

The advice is well-taken, but I would add that to make sure the carbs are well cared for and not running rich: no sticking chokes, etc.

From easy to $$$...

* Keep your car tuned up to specs, use the warmer sparkplug

recommendations if mostly city driving. Change all filters and PCV value often.

* use a warmer thermostat.

* change your cylinder head to run on unleaded gasoline.

* switch to the '68-later combined intake/exhaust manifold. (The single weber conversion with electric choke may be best for emissions).

* if using unleaded gasoline, you can put a small catalytic converter

onto your exhaust system. Beware of the extra heat!

* convert to LPG.

* Warning: None of these suggestions will ENHANCE PERFORMANCE!

Keep 'um rolling.

Hi,

Thanks for all the suggestions. I'm not really concerned into making my car a high performance car (actually I think my grandmother had more of a muscle car than this one!) But when I purchased the car it already had the cylinder head changed out to accept unleaded and has the single carb with electric choke (although the manual still works for those days when it hasn't been started in awhile.) I'll see how many of the other tips I can put to good use!

Thanks again!!!

Michelle

Michelle;

Plant a tree or three which will help offset the CO2 you're producing, keep your SUs in good tune (prevent false air past worn shafts), and dont feel so guilty!

Redards