lately i've been driving around without power steering because the front half of my crankshaft pulley rusted through and cracked, so i cant use the belt that runs from the crankshaft to the a/c compressor, therefore the p/s to a/c belt (which is perfectly intact and tensioned) can't be moved. i noticed an enjoyable amount of pickup from this. granted, its not tremendous, but it was noticeable. the manual steering doesnt bother me too much because the power steering wasn't really working properly to begin with. but i think im going to play around with it a little more to see if i can keep a bit of that power, but still regain the powersteering (im going to bleed, drain, refill it, and etc. to get it working right again as well).

i was looking on fcpgroton.com to buy belts and i saw this:

(http://www.fcpgroton.com/volvo240drivebelts.htm)

10X938 P/S Belt 77-93 240 Gas models w/o AC $4.00 Continental

13X1075 P/S Belt 77-84 240 Gas Models w/AC $6.50 Continental

i have a '78 245DL w/AC stock so i use the second one... but my a/c hasnt been working for some time and i dont care about it enough to have it charged and serviced to get it working again, so i was wondering, could i order the non-AC P/S Belt and slap it on to save a little power turning the compressor pulley? and this would go from the main drivebelt on the crankshaft pulley straight to the power steering pulley, correct?
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'78 245 143k dual exh. -- soon to drop in a turbo

Alas, nope, that's not correct, as the PS pump is on an offset from the crank pulley. The non-AC cars have the PS pump mounted where the AC compressor is, hence the difference.

iPd has a PS pulley offset kit that'll work, but you'll still need an intact crank pulley first.

If you're fine without power steering, though, you could just leave it off. I did that for several months in my '79, as the rack was leaking like a sieve, and the AC compressor had a hole the size of a baseball in its side.

-- Kane ... who still needs to find those hubcap clips for ya.
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Blossom II - '91 745Ti/M46 ... Bubbles - '74 144GL/BW35 ... Buttercup, back - '86 245GL/AW70

>>and the AC compressor had a hole the size of a baseball in its side.

How long does the York rumble before you get this to happen?

BTW, who needs hubcap clips?

art, you live near baltimore? do you happen to know where i can find a 240 turbo?
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'78 245 143k dual exh. -- soon to drop in a turbo

> How long does the York rumble before you get this to happen?

Your guess is as good as mine's. My '79 was bought with a "non-working AC". And why should the previous owner have cared? He lived in Massachusetts. I, on the otherhand, live in SoCal ...

> BTW, who needs hubcap clips?

Chris did a little while ago, but it appears that he's got 'em now. I offered him my extra ones as soon as I dug 'em out.

-- Kane ... for the record, it's still somewhere floating in one of the many coffee can-fulls of spare parts.
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Blossom II - '91 745Ti/M46 ... Bubbles - '74 144GL/BW35 ... Buttercup, back - '86 245GL/AW70

yeah, im planning on getting a crank pulley from a salvage yard tomorrow, thats definite. how much does the ipd kit cost? i tried to go to their site but right now its down.

manual steering doesn't bother me too much. i kind of like how it handles better. also, you dont need to worry about those clips, i found a few, but thanks anyhow.
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'78 245 143k dual exh. -- soon to drop in a turbo

The kit costs $40. It consists of a hubcentric spacer, longer bolts, and a new extra-long belt. (That's from judging the pic in the catalog.)

I see the most important part is the spacer being hubcentric, as the pulley relies on the center bore to keep it centered - there is no taper seat on the pulley to center it up like a wheel. If it's off just slightly, running at a few thousand rpm could make quick shreads of the pump or pulley and send them flying through the hood. Or send it running through the fan blades and into the radiator. It's the worst case scenario, but you get the gist of it.

While you're at the junkyard, see if there are any cars with PS, but without AC, and swipe the brackets off those.

-- Kane ... who doesn't mean swipe in the literal sense, but you know what I mean. :P
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Blossom II - '91 745Ti/M46 ... Bubbles - '74 144GL/BW35 ... Buttercup, back - '86 245GL/AW70

I just put this IPD(I Paid Dearly) kit on my 81 240, I also replaced the bushing with the blue poly ones. I also removed the ac compressor(bad idea). Once it was removed the PS bracket would flex and vibrate, at 2K rpm it looked like the belt would fly off and the pump was going to self distruct. I took it all apart and welded a gusset into the bracket. It is better but I need to take it apart again and weld a bigger gusset in place. Bottom line, if you use the AC belt relocation kit, leave the AC compressor in the car.

so, why can't i just go to a hardware shop, buy a longer bolt, get a few spacers/washers and buy the longer belt (which happens to be cheaper) from fcpgroton? is this just too logical? im not up to terms on hubcentricity... i dont take physics until next year in school :\.
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'78 245 143k dual exh. -- soon to drop in a turbo

As I said, the pulley is centered by the centerbore of the pump, not by the bolts. So while you can just bolt them up, it can't be guaranteed that it'll be centered, causing vibrations. And at a few thousand rpm, that vibration can get really nasty and start shredding up some things.

It's essentially the same reasoning as using a stack of washers to space out the wheels. BTW, that is NOT a good idea.

The belt is much longer than the ones specified for cars without AC, as on those cars, the PS pump sits where the AC compressor sits instead.

-- Kane
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Blossom II - '91 745Ti/M46 ... Bubbles - '74 144GL/BW35 ... Buttercup, back - '86 245GL/AW70

the ac compressor has two pulleys on it... what is there to stop me from removing outermost pulley from the compressor, getting a longer bolt, and putting the new pulley on the p/s pump. thus, it should be spaced properly, and i shouldnt have vibration problems. is this practical?
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'78 245 143k dual exh. -- soon to drop in a turbo

If I'm remembering how the old Ford/York AC compressor pulley looks like ... I highly doubt it. I don't believe the pulley is separable, and if left together, I can't imagine where to mount the clutch to make it work.

You're free to try it, but I'm guessing that it'll be about as easy as fitting a Honda wheel on a Volvo.

-- Kane
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Blossom II - '91 745Ti/M46 ... Bubbles - '74 144GL/BW35 ... Buttercup, back - '86 245GL/AW70

ah, well thanks for your help. appreciate it. im just going to go without the power steering. i dont really miss it too much to tell you the truth.
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'78 245 143k dual exh. -- soon to drop in a turbo