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Thanks...& more questions 120-130 1966

George and JohnMC...thank you very much for your replies to my earlier message ('Easter Amazon').

I believe (but haven't looked, as this was somewhat of an impulsive purchase) that the rear brakes are drums. Can disc brakes from a p1800 be fitted? Would this necessitate swapping the entire rear axle? I wonder what final drive ratio I would end up with. I know that the car currently has a 4.10 rear axle, but can't remember if the p1800 is a 4.30 or 4.56. I'm assuming that either of these ratios would give me better acceleration off the line at the expense of top end speed.

I'd like to replace the front seats as they are well worn and lack headrests. I have been told that the front seats from a 140 series can be installed with relative ease. How about 240 buckets? I have, in addition to the 940 and Amazon, an '85 244 turbo parts car. I bought it on the cheap nearly two and half years ago with the intention of 'restoring' it, but soon realized that I was in way over my head (it needs head work, a new turbo, clutch, exhaust, and so forth). Anyway, it has a very nice pair of black leather buckets that aren't being put to good use (or any use for that matter!) at the moment. Is this a DIY swap? How much fabrication is involved?

I'm fairly certain that she originally sported dual carbs, and at some point was converted to the Weber for economy reasons. According to volvoworld.com, the difference between the dual carb B20 and the single carb B20 is one of about 28 horsepower!! Is regaining this 'lost' power as easy as tossing on a pair of SU's, or were there other differences between the B20A and B20B engines?

Was black a factory paint color in '67?

Thanks for putting up with me, guys. I appreciate the help. I've learned quite a bit more from reading the messages on Brick Board than I have from reading repair manuals. :-)

Take care.

-=Bob=-








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Q: I believe (but haven't looked, as this was somewhat of an impulsive purchase) that the rear brakes are drums. Can disc brakes from a p1800 be fitted? Would this necessitate swapping the entire rear axle? I wonder what final drive ratio I would end up with. I know that the car currently has a 4.10 rear axle, but can't remember if the p1800 is a 4.30 or 4.56. I'm assuming that either of these ratios would give me better acceleration off the line at the expense of top end speed.
A: Unless some previous owner has gotten creative with it it will certainly have drums. Depending on the exact build date of your car (it seems like they swapped mid '67) it would either be easy or mildly difficult to swap an 1800 axle on. Early style 122's will need some mixing and natching of arms and some minor welding on the axle to make it work, later style 122's will bolt the 1800 axle right in. There are a few issues, however. First - 1800's only had rear disc brakes in the late model 'E' incarnation - which means they have the 140 style bolt pattern. You could also swap 1800 front discs on to get matching bolt patterns all the way around and get a new set of wheels. 1800E/ES's and 140's also had some sort of pressure limiter inline with the rear brakes - I don't know how critical this is for the braking - I swapped a 142E axle (probably identical to an 1800E axle) into my erstwhile '63 122S and didn't use the limiter and didn't have any problems with the braking. However - the rear brake do very little actual work so I really wouldn't bother going through so much work for something you will likely never notice in normal driving. The rear discs, that is. The rear end ratio will make a difference. 1800E/ES's axles would be a 3.91 if it came on an automatic tranny car, and a 4.3 if it came on a manual tranny car. I really really doubt you'd notice a decrease in top speed by going from a 4.1 to a 4.3 - a 122 will hit a wall on wind resistance well before it will hit the redline in OD (around 140 mph).

Q: I'd like to replace the front seats as they are well worn and lack headrests. I have been told that the front seats from a 140 series can be installed with relative ease. How about 240 buckets? I have, in addition to the 940 and Amazon, an '85 244 turbo parts car. I bought it on the cheap nearly two and half years ago with the intention of 'restoring' it, but soon realized that I was in way over my head (it needs head work, a new turbo, clutch, exhaust, and so forth). Anyway, it has a very nice pair of black leather buckets that aren't being put to good use (or any use for that matter!) at the moment. Is this a DIY swap? How much fabrication is involved?
A: I put a set of 140 seats in that same 122 and it involved making some simple brackets that bolted to the 122 floor mounts and to the 140 seats. Not terribly difficult - I can't recall if it involved welding or not - or just some sturdy angle iron with strategically drilled holes.

A: I'm fairly certain that she originally sported dual carbs, and at some point was converted to the Weber for economy reasons. According to volvoworld.com, the difference between the dual carb B20 and the single carb B20 is one of about 28 horsepower!! Is regaining this 'lost' power as easy as tossing on a pair of SU's, or were there other differences between the B20A and B20B engines?
Q: The single carb models were never imported to the US and were a Europe (maybe Canada too?) only entry level model. They had milder cams, lower compression ratios and were lacking in power. Your car was 99% likely to have been a two carb model that has had the twin SU's discarded in favor of a single Weber DGV. Its pretty much an equal replacement and will provide enough flow for a stock engine. SU carb's can be very frustrating if you don't know how to balance and tune them, and when the throttle shafts get worn they can be hard to tune using the normal methods. Frustrated owners often turn to the Weber kits sold from many sources as a cure to their SU woes. Not to mention the later FI cars - it might be cheaper to put on a Weber rather than replace all 4 injectors and a fuel pump! So with a stock engine you probably have similar power that you would with twin SU's. Of course, if you start tweaking the engine (head work, exhaust work, cam changes) the single Weber will run out of flow quicker than a pair of SU's will.








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Thanks...& more questions 120-130 1966

About the single / dual carby thing...

The single carbed B20s that came from Volvo were running a single SU, and also (I believe) milder cam timing and less compression. The Weber carb you have on your engine is an aftermarket carb. Although it is not a performace carb, you would not gain 28HP by simply going to dual SUs (MAYBE 5HP??). The Weber actually has more breathing capacity than an unmodified B20 can use, but it is not a performance carb and it will not have the top end power or drivability of a properly tuned set of SUs.

Personally I have a very strong dislike for the Weber DGV series carb and prefer dual SUs. I know some folks who hate SUs and prefer the Weber. If you like the Weber stick with it. If you want to try some SUs I'm sure somebody on the board has an extra set to sell. Make sure you get a good set, or are willing to have them refurbished or your SU experience will be a bad one.

The disk brake 1800E/ES rear end has a ratio of 4.30. As stated before, the braking advantage is minimal unless you race. Having read your prevous post, I suggest you rev your engine more before shifting if you are looking for more power. The shift points you used were extremely mild.

Most importantly, have fun with your new toy. The 122 is one of my absolute favorite Volvos and my driveway feels empty when I don't have one parked there.

Ron Tewksbury
1968 122s
1979 244 DL








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Thanks...& more questions 120-130 1966

You can put on an 1800E/ES rear axle easily providing your car has late rear suspension. The early version uses a flat rear arm that hald round the axle with a half hoop. The late version uses two tubular arms on each side. The Drum brakes are perfectly adeqate.


If you look on Swedish Classics there's a thread o there telling you how to fit 240 seats.


If your in the States all US destined cars were 122S' Your type number tells you what it is. The first three digits tell you whether its or 4 door

132 is a 122S 2 door

122 is a 122S 4 door

222 is a wagon 122S

If the last digit is 1 it started out as a single carb. The weber was non factory, Volvo first used a VN 36 Zenith downdraft, themn a single 175CD stromberg...


Regards


Pete








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The vast majority of 122s in the US used SUs rather than Strombergs.
I don't think the Strombergs started being used much on Volvos
(at least the 175CD) until 1968 or 69, in which years VERY few came
to the US. Lots of 140s and 164s had them though. I think the
ZS 175CD carbs were contemporary with the SU HIF6.
--
George Downs Bartlesville, Oklahoma








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Error... 120-130 1967

I accidentally clicked '1966' in the year box. She's a '67. Sorry for the confusion.







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