V Performance with there progressive rate fronts and single rate rears. Or do I use IPD springs. I have a set of Koni special D shocks and I already have installed a set of IPD sway bars.
Ideas?

john

I am using Koni adj. D on the 145, 1972, lowered with 240t rear bar. These shocks are 5 way adj. on damping, none on comp. Try 2 clicks from hard. Works good on ND back roads and on the AutoX . IPD did not have them. Try the Classic Garage http://www.classicgarage.com/ or call Koni. Tip--do not let the rear axel hang from the shocks for a extended time. Read the Koni instructions.
Trana
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PTR ,740 t -145-122

What size tires do you have on those rims? Just wondering...

Beautiful wagon by the way,
Kyle

They are 195/60/15 hard as rock Continential touring contacts. I'll be replacing them in the spring with 205/60 or 65/15 Yokohama ES100 Or whatever that new AVS tire is.

john

With those sorts of tyres stock springs would be your best bet. Stiffer springs are best with grippy low profile tyres.

cars do not necessarily need low profile tires to handle well. The stock suspension can definitely be upgraded, and those tires, the yoko avs es100s are great HP tires that have lots of grip. I'm sorry, but i really do disagree witht that statement... With the spring upgrade, you will have a better looking car, more stable car at speed, and more predictable(less crazy body motions). It will definitly handle better with the perf. springs, because it will utilize the tire's contact patch better and what not... Blah blah blah, i just don't agree... IMO... :-)
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peace out,
Kyle

Less bodyroll doesn't always mean better handling. Making it too stiff just makes it slide sooner. Year comes into it too, 73-74 is too soft even by my standards.

yes too stiff, is too stiff, but I don't think that will be the case with either of the springs in question... Also, what's that about the 73-4 models being soft? Did they come with softer springs than the earlier ones? I think i may have read about this b4, but have forgotten. Were they softened up a little bit or something, because people complained of the stiffness/harshness of the earlier models? I don't remember, learning more everyday...

awesome. Yes, the new yoko's are the AVS ES100s. They are awesome tires, i want some in the 205/60 size for my car. But, i already have tires... lol. Good stuff!
Kyle :)

"V Performance with there progressive rate fronts and single rate rears. Or do I use IPD springs. I have a set of Koni special D shocks and I already have installed a set of IPD sway bars.
Ideas?"

Last summer I called IPD to order springs and they only had ONE set of front sport springs in stock and were never going to order new ones.

I have v-performance 1 3/4" front progressive springs sitting in the trunk of my '72 142 :) They are very very impressive looking springs.

If you want to have stiff suspension, progressive rate springs are THE best choice for a road car. There is some initial give which absorbs some of the initial shock of the impact so you don't look like a ricer bouncing around the road and your back side will thank you too.

At any rate you have no choice since im positive IPD wont have front ones in stock for a 140 (and they arn't listed on the web page either). As for the rear springs the ones they sell for the 140 are infact for the 240 series car so they are in stock. You have to find a late (73-74) 140 or a 240 in order to switch to a different mounting style. I know my '72 won't take them without changing the mount.

Judging from the pictures on the V-performance site they are the same spring (just painted red) that IPD sells, but I haven't asked john if this is the case.

Regards,

Hudson

From what I understand, if you ask the right person at IPD they will put together a set for the 140. they now use only the rear 240 spring which requires the later style spring perch. The ones from V performance look to have double pig tails on the rears like they should. I was wondering if anyone has used the V performance springs with IPD sway bars?

john

I don't have a 140, but I've been very happy with John's springs on the 1800, using them with iPd bars, Bilsteins and urethane bushings.

"From what I understand, if you ask the right person at IPD they will put together a set for the 140. they now use only the rear 240 spring which requires the later style spring perch. The ones from V performance look to have double pig tails on the rears like they should. I was wondering if anyone has used the V performance springs with IPD sway bars?"

You are right, he does have the right rear springs.. the ones i got from IPD only have one pig tail.

I haven't used the v-performance springs with ipd sway bars

I've used IPD lowering springs in 140's,120's/1800's,240's, and 740's.I have installed them in 850's,940,s and a V40 for customers (don't ask about the problems).In my opinion you have "the rice boy bounce" with all the IPD (lowering) springs I've installed.the best combination I used,in my 145 (NO laghing now) was 164 lowering coils in front and 240 overload coils in the rear.Bilsteins all the way around.I had KYB's in the rear at first and it was unbearable over speed bumps.It handled as well as any of the cars I put the lowering springs in but wasn't as bouncy and looked "stock"..As far as the 140 versus 240 rear springs,USE THE 240's! You WILL have to change to the 240 upper rear spring mounts but it is literally a 1 bolt "bolt in" and there are at least 3 different height 240 rear spring mounts available.Allowing you to fine tune your ride height.I sell the upper mounts for $20 a pair.

is generally caused by lack of shocks. Many of the "rice boy cars" i have a few aquaintences with this problem... dorks... The get cheap lowering coils, but leave their stock shocks on, and they are quickly "burnt" out. Or, the shocks they have, just aren't stiff enough in general to keep their stiff springs, causing them to continue bouncing. So, i think that the reason the cars with ipd kits are bouncy, (probably, unless you have also installed hi perf shocks along with...) because the shocks that were equipped weren't up to the task of keeping the springs/car under control. They weren't "dampening" the cars motions... IMO,
Peace,
Kyle

That's what I thought too but I've tried Bilsteins,KYB's,Tokicos,Boge.I have not tried Koni's and hear good things about them

even with some of the other shocks that you have used, it still seems bouncy? If so, I have no explanation as to why or how it would be that way... Oh well.
Peace, ;-)
Kyle

""As far as the 140 versus 240 rear springs,USE THE 240's! You WILL have to change to the 240 upper rear spring mounts but it is literally a 1 bolt "bolt in" and there are at least 3 different height 240 rear spring mounts available.Allowing you to fine tune your ride height.I sell the upper mounts for $20 a pair. ""

I have never heard of this adjustability.. are they different mounts? or the same mount just adjusted? Where can I find them and what different options do I have?


What were the KYBs doing over the speed bumps? Too much dampening or not enough? I need to get shocks all the way around soon and have noticed that IPD doesn't advertise as many shock combinations for early 140s anymore. Something about another mount that needs to be changed to the 240 type. Do you know about this?

Thanks, Hudson

Hudson.The difference is the 140 springs have pigtails on both ends.The upper end bolts to the frame using a large rubber pad and steel washer.The 240 springs only have a pigtail on the bottom end.The top end is the same size around all the way to the top,(Aside from the bottom pigtail,follow me?) In the 240 there are bell shaped parts that bolt on using the same bolt that was bolting the spring to the frame.The bell shaped pieces go inside the spring.Another benefit is the top of the spring won't be bolted in so rear spring changes become 1 very accessable bolt.I will take pictures tommarrow.I should have a 140 (mine) and a 240 on a lift.

""Hudson.The difference is the 140 springs have pigtails on both ends.The upper end bolts to the frame using a large rubber pad and steel washer.The 240 springs only have a pigtail on the bottom end.The top end is the same size around all the way to the top,(Aside from the bottom pigtail,follow me?) In the 240 there are bell shaped parts that bolt on using the same bolt that was bolting the spring to the frame.The bell shaped pieces go inside the spring.Another benefit is the top of the spring won't be bolted in so rear spring changes become 1 very accessable bolt.I will take pictures tommarrow.I should have a 140 (mine) and a 240 on a lift. ""


Thanks for the info. Can I get the 240 mounts from a volvo dealer? Or do I have to pull them out of a junkyard (which I don't imagine would be very fun at all)?

You mentioned adjustability in respects to the top 240 mount. Are they the same mount? or are there many 240 top mounts to achieve this adjustability?

I am going to be throwing in a pair of 240 sport springs into a 140 soon and will probably need to adjust the back spring to get the ride height right. I don't want to have to cut the rear spring or use one of those coil compressing bolts.

Thanks, Hudson

are stiff shocks for the bargain buyer. They are not very good on isolating impact harshness... That's there main downfall, and probably why they were no fun over speed bumps. They are stiff shocks, but unlike Bilsteins, they ride harshly, where as the B's ride much better, but still are very stiff at the same time... kinda hard to explain... you can find more info in other places... I currently have some KYBs on my car, but if you want a smooth ride, these aren't really recomended...
Later,
Kyle

I have driven Kyle's 140 (maybe not with as much spirit as Kyle) and it's FUN! White KYB's all around? It is very, VERY stiff, probably be a hoot on the back roads.
A girlfriend probably wouldn't like that ride and a Grampa would absolutely hate it!
Hi Kyle!
S.

How's it going? Oh ya, its a hoot on the back roads for sure, no matter what wheels i have on it at the time, its always fun! :) Except for when the dying DGV cuts out in almost every turn, stutter stutter, put put, but its still fun! And it ran well on its last public outting, well until it broke... Hehe. Speak of the devil, you say my girlfriend wouldn't like it that much? Well, actually, (she isn't my gf any more, but we're awesome friends), she loves cars, and is soooo freakin lucky, that she has friends with Lancer Evos, and audi TTs with crazy modifications where shes at now, (minnesota for college), and she never complained about my ride! She enjoyed it! And I've ALSO taken my grandpa for a ride in it, he didn't really complain, he's cool like that, lol, he was sayin it made lots of engine noise though(the normal b20 tick i say, but he thought it was bad...) AND that was when i only had two cherry bombs on for exhaust.... I love my CAR!!!!!
Peace guys,
Kyle

Hmm. More food for thought.

john