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I was feeling pretty good last night, having gotten Susan's car going. This morning I spotted a wild turkey in the front yard with a neighbor cat (one of maybe a dozen now) stalking him. Chased the cat away and the turkey also went out of sight. Later we went downtown to pick up Susan's son Ben. Got in the other car and looked down the driveway and this is what we saw:
Looked like he owned all he surveyed. Maybe not as fast as a roadrunner but about as smart!
Then we went to work on the 245. Struggled with the distributor and went over to O'Reilly's auto parts and got a can of PB Blaster and started soaking things down. With a lot of work we finally got it to where it would turn by prying the end of the slot against the bolt with an alignment punch. Still couldn't get anything like proper timing. So we took off the timing cover and redid the timing belt installation, which MAY have been one tooth off (I'm not really sure). Put it back together and it wouldn't start. Checked the Haynes manual on distributor installation and confirmed that the rotor pointed toward the line on the edge of the case at TDC. Still wouldn't start although it would occasionally kick back. Trying the timing light while cranking never showed a sign of the timing mark but considering how it kicked back it seemed like it is still very advanced. I turned the distributor as far as I could in what I thought was the "retard" direction, that is, the direction of the arrow on the outside of the case. Didn't help. So I am not as far ahead as I was this time yesterday and am even further from getting my 164 back so I'll have something to drive. Still haven't got my cleaned tank back in the celery 122 wagon, still haven't got the engine in the yellow peril (behind the celery wagon) and haven't even started on the new old wagon (in the middle).
Any advice will be much appreciated. I'm tired of newfangled OHC engines, timing belts, struts, K-jet, etc etc. Sure would like this thing OUTTA HERE!!
Thanks for putting up with this rant, and the yard bird.
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George Downs, Bartlesville, Oklahoma, Central US
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You're more than welcome to take all the wild turkeys away from here :-D
While you're at it, grab the wild peafowl too (yes, we've got that too).
The turkeys were introduced around here for hunters, only they're far smarter than an hunter (they can see in a 270 degree field). They're about as noisy and aggressive as a peafowl too. Saw a peacock at the last place I was living in. Sounded like one angry canada goose. I looked out to see this peacock getting all mad at the cars in the parking lot. Oy.
With your car, just make sure everything's plugged in (coil wires, plug wires, impulse sender on the distributor, etc). Unless one of the pulleys is way off the car should start.
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alex
'89 765T, 174,7xx mi
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Where are you? I've been on a local ranch/museum that has peafowl and
to me they sound a little like a distant air hammer or dropping marbles
down a metal funnel. Only had one angry once....
Finally making some progress now - got the dist out.
Have a great one!
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George Downs, Bartlesville, Oklahoma, Central US
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I'm in sunny California, just north of San Francisco. In fact most of the wild peafowl are about mid county. But one peacock living a bit further south made the local rag because people were trying to find it a more appropriate home. The poor bird got so lonely it tried to um.. “mate” with a female wild turkey. Apparently that peacock was also quite tame and liked to be hand fed.
I don't usually think much about the wildlife because I don't usually interact with it very often. Every once in a while I'll hear a turkey making noise off in the distance.
The crows are the most aggressive things I've ever seen. Even the native raptors aren't safe from a pack of those flying black beasts.
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alex
'89 765T, 174,7xx mi
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Reminds me of a story about Wild Turkey and peppermint schnaups. I'll tell it someday; it's not pretty.
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"we finally got it to where it would turn by prying the end of the slot against the bolt with an alignment punch"
If a channel lock pliers can fit around base of dist., suggest you use that to turn rather than a punch which may crack the alloy hold down plate.
"So we took off the timing cover and redid the timing belt installation, which MAY have been one tooth off (I'm not really sure). "
I've read that 2 turns of the crank equals one turn of the cam. So even though the timing marks line up, you may be out of sync by one turn of the crank?
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1980 245 Canadian B21A with SU carb and M46 trans
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"If a channel lock pliers can fit around base of dist., suggest you use that to turn rather than a punch which may crack the alloy hold down plate."
Still too tight to turn that way. Continuing to soak. But - See Rhys' post.
"I've read that 2 turns of the crank equals one turn of the cam. So even though the timing marks line up, you may be out of sync by one turn of the crank?"
I have experienced this syndrome many times due to the way the B20 manual
tells you to insert the oil pump/distributor drive gear and distributor.
I was lining up all the marks, cam included and also checking to make sure
both valves on #1 were indeed fully closed and cam lobes well away from them,
so I'm pretty sure the problem is elsewhere. However the reluctor was not
near lining up with the shaft in the right place. Apparently the distributor
is stabbed wrong. Still too tight to pull but working on the problem.
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George Downs, Bartlesville, Oklahoma, Central US
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George,
Just don't leave the keys in the car. He might be smarter than you think. Good luck with the timing problem, can't help you there, sorry.
Erling.
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My 240 Page
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posted by
someone claiming to be Rhys
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Fri Jun 11 16:41 CST 2004 [ RELATED]
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Hi George. It is easy from here. The electronic pole piece and stator in the distributor are lined up with one another at all four points in order to trigger the transistor. With the crank at tdc or slightly before, remove the cover again and release the belt so that the intermediate shaft can be spun by hand. Spin it until the four points line up, AND the rotor points to number one wire in the cap. Its best to have the slot in the distributor housing centered on the lock bolt at this point, but as long as its close it will be fine. Getting it to the center will require pulling the distributor and indexing a tooth or two on the gear. If the body isn't moving all that well yet, no worries. Re-install the belt, and the thing should fire up. The arms of the pole piece make alignment easier than breaker points for sure.
Rhys
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We did get it going. Wonder if there is a dist problem because when
the pole pieces/reluctor are lined up the rotor is somewhat off, making me
wonder if the reluctor got twisted on the shaft. One arm did get bent by
an errant clip when we were turning the dist with a lever but I straightened
it so that all 4 arms had similar clearance and timing.
It seemed to idle best at 20° BTDC with vac connected so I left it there.
Susan reports that it is somewhat weak but she did drive it home and left
me both the 164 and keys thereto. Got fairly new plugs, few if any vacuum
leaks. S'pose a pass of injector cleaner would help? Been sitting for over
a month, maybe 2 months so gas is not the best (although the price is down
from $1.90something to $1.74 now so maybe it's not as good as it was!)
Anyway any further comments would certainly be welcomed.
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George Downs, Bartlesville, Oklahoma, Central US
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OK, we did finally get the distributor loosened up and removed. We will
re-stab with the rotor pointing forward and to the right and the pole piece
and reluctor lined up. Sure hope it is willing to run then....
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George Downs, Bartlesville, Oklahoma, Central US
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If, after all this time, you're still not able to start the car.. make sure you haven't flooded the engine. BTDT. :)
- alex
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I suspected that. The reluctor and pole pieces are off. I'm not sure how it
started before or when we changed the timing belt months ago.
The distributor is obviously mis-stabbed. If I can get it to loosen up enough
I will re-stab it but it is still AWFULLY tight and I don't really want to
do the timing cover AGAIN (4th time is a WHAT??)but may have to.
If I can get the cotton picker loose enough to turn with a wrench it might
come out. So far it is quite a ways from there considering the working room.
Too bad they didn't put a hex or a square on the base....
You guys got wild turkeys over there? I had seen them around before but
this is the first one in my yard. They came pretty close to being the
national bird of the US in Ben Franklin's time. Smart, wily, but didn't
harm or kill anything.
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George Downs, Bartlesville, Oklahoma, Central US
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posted by
someone claiming to be Rhys
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Sat Jun 12 04:55 CST 2004 [ RELATED]
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Had a mating pair of wild turkeys nearby. The female was quite pleasant, inquisitive and fearless. The male was pathologically stupid and aggressive....well what's new in any of that? Anyways the male ended up on a road picking a fight with a passing car, and losing, and the female wandered off a couple of days later. They were fun while it lasted.
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Maybe I should send you my recipe for Marine Corps Chile sometime.
(It's hard to soar with eagles when you work with turkeys.)
It is made with green chile, cactus, cilantro, onions, oregano and
leftover turkey. Great for after Thanksgiving, even when it is in October.
Leftover turkey gravy is an asset also.
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George Downs, Bartlesville, Oklahoma, Central US
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posted by
someone claiming to be 81242DLB21FCA
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Fri Jun 11 19:57 CST 2004 [ RELATED]
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I set the crank to the timing point, 8, 12, whatever BTDC. That's where you want the ignition to fire.
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