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Engine running hot 200 1992

I have a 240 1992 wagon. Temp has been running hot. First time this happened, I had the thermostat replaced, and also had the radiator pulled and cleaned out. The water pump has also given out recently and been replaced. Things were fine for about a month or two. Last week after the temp guage was running hot again, our mechanic replaced the thermostat (which was less than 3 or 4 months old). Well, it's still running hot, with the guage getting near the "red."

After running the car today in our driveway, it appears the coolant isn't getting circulated. I let the car idle in our driveway, and the temp guage showed it getting hot again. The upper radiator hose was real hot after a while, but the lower hose was relatively cool. I'm going to take the car in again on Monday, but wondering if anyone has any idea what might be going on? This is the second thermostat and we have a new water pump. Thanks,

Jeff

p.s. thanks to the folks who gave feedback before on fixing the trim on my car. I wound up using an adhesive from the auto parts store that worked just fine.








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    Engine running hot 200 1992

    A cheap routine maintenance item to perform on the radiator is to clean the exterior cooling fins by using a water hose with a regular spray head. Remove the crowl around the engine fan to allow access with the hose and spray a jet stream of water from the back of the radiator through the cooling fins to the front grill. Don't laugh, I have a 1986 240DL that constantly overheated when the A/C was operating. After a thorough spray of water (and yes, alot of dirt & crude came out of the cooling fins) I have not had a single overheating problem. It's cheap and maybe worth a try. The worst you can end up with is a clean radiator. Good luck.








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    Engine running hot 200 1992

    Just as a follow-up, the mechanic thought it was the temperature sending (?) unit. They put a new one in, and the guage is staying in the middle now. Hopefully it'll stay that way. Thanks to eveyone for the feedback.








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    How well does the heater work? Can it keep up when the fan is on high? If it doesn't stay hot there is definitely a circulation problem. Unfortunately the converse is not true. Did the mechanic position the thermostat so that the vent was at 12 o'clock?

    Assuming they work properly you should be able to use the cylinder head temp sensors to verify the actual water temperature. I don't have the temp/resistance chart handy, maybe someone else has one they could post the readings you could expect.

    Another test would be to supply the temperature gauge with a temperature 'standard'. By that I mean replacing the temp sending unit with a fixed resistor value for the half-way and full points and see where your gauge reads. (Sorry I don't have those values for you right now.)








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      Engine running hot 200 1992

      I'm not much of a car guy, learning slowly here. My hunch is that the guage is OK. It hasn't been erratic, and seems to warm up as you'd expect. It just isn't coming back down to the middle part of the guage. I just dropped the car off again today to be looked over. They mentioned the possibility of the radiator having problems, but since I had it pulled a few months ago and cleaned out (and whatever else they did), I'm not sure why a problem with the radiator wouldn't have been evident then. Thanks for the feedback.








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    The first thing you have to do is bypass the temperature compensating board. If you haven't done so already, at 12 years you're overdue for that to go bad. I'd put money on your cooling system being fine but just getting a bad reading because of the temp comp board. So do that in the first place, before you start worrying about other items that don't appear to be very likely in your case. Do a search for the instructions and helpful photo.

    Until you've bypassed the temp comp board you just can't trust your gauge's readings.








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      Engine running hot 200 1992

      I agree with Scorch based on MUCH personal experience.








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    If the upper rad hose is hot then the thermo is working and letting the hot water into the rad for cooling.

    If the lower hose is cool, either the rad is working like it should or it is plugged. But it's not likely plugged as you've had it cleaned.

    A bad clutch fan can cause overheating but that is not likely the case as you say the lower rad hose is cool.

    When you turn on the heating full blast, does the temp gauge drop? If not it may be the temp compensator that's the problem. (Instructions for bypassing it are available on board.)

    If the temp gauge does drop with heating on, then your car probably is overheating. Weak pump, slipping belt?

    --
    1980 245 Canadian B21A with SU carb and M46 trans








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      There's also the possibilty that the water channels in the block are plugged. I found black rubbery stuff plugging some holes when I replaced the head gasket. Probably from someone using to much RTV sealant during pump installation.

      You could try back flushing the block (exclude rad as it has been cleaned) by removing thermostat and running water in through there (and out lower rad hose).

      But first check temp compensator.
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      1980 245 Canadian B21A with SU carb and M46 trans








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        Engine running hot 200 1992


        Thanks to everyone for the responses. I forgot to mention that a neighbor with an infrared temp guage showed the engine at around 210 degrees. Not sure if this is normal, but definitely seemed like the engine was running hot. I think the guage was working OK also. If I understand correctly, since the upper hose was hot, then the thermostat had opened. I'm wondering if it is indeed some kind of blockage. I'm going to look up references on the temp compensator also. Thanks again,

        Jeff







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