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DYI alignments? anyone done these? 200

Has anyone used an alignment tool like this ? Alignment tool

It seems like it would pay for itself very quickly ...

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Happy Motoring Miguel '86 244 and '87 245








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    DYI alignments? anyone done these? 200

    yep -- I have used it. You can come and get it if you're near south jersey -- it's fairly useless. Can't get repeatable readings with it. I made a irg using a laser level with a magnetic base & a strap-on C-channel for the wheels and can set the alignment quite well. I use a digital carpenter's level for the camber. e-mail and I can send pictures, if you'de like.








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    DYI alignments? anyone done these? 200

    I have one, like Lucid, from HF - $9 I think.

    Unlike Lucid, I can't figure out how to make any use of it. In the picture it is shown measuring the tire bulge at a diameter (even with the hub) from the front. Just try making that same measurement at the rear of the front tires-- you won't come near center because it can't clear the crossmember and motor at that level, and the bulge from the deformed bottom of the tire will affect the total, if you try to compare at a lower point.

    Anyway, I tried using it a few times, puzzling over reports of others' success and went back to my old method, eyeballing across the tire diameter toward the rear wheels.


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    Art Benstein near Baltimore








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      DYI alignments? anyone done these? 200

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      Art,

      I know just what you mean, but here's how I use it (best with a helper). Keep in mind that I've added an inward pointing tip to outer end of the swinging "needle", and a matching one at the other end of the gauge, for a touch of shadetree precision. Also keep in mind you can almost do the measurement in less time than it takes to read the following and (hopefully) make sense of it—

      1 - Slide the gauge behind the tires, then set each end up on three 2" x 4" blocks placed behind the tires. Next, angle the ends up about 45° to touch the fattest part of the tire bulge. This will be a little below hub centerline height. You'll need a helper on the right side to hold the gauge up in this angular position on the Right tire.

      2 - Eyeball each side to see that the measuring tips are in the same relative position, then "zero" the gauge pointer (on the Left side) and lock the sliding part.

      3 - Now move the gauge and wood blocks around to the front of the wheels, where your helper positions and holds the tip angled up to the tire bulge at the front of the Left tire—again close to hub height.

      4 - At this point I sorta wing it—I don't use the gauge markings at all—I set the pointer to 0 (the rear measurement) and hold it there while I position the "needle" pointer up toward the Right tire bulge. With any Toe-in at all, the pointer won't touch the tire. I eyeball this space, and sometimes "measure" it with something like a 2mm allen wrench as a go/no-go test if it looks really wide.

      Referring to Bentley pages 620-1&2, we are measuring very close to where the spec is 2.0mm ±1.0mm (see B-to-b), except we are measuring on the outside of the tire bulge rather than inside.

      In my opinion, the main thing is to have some observable Toe-in. I try for no more than 1.0mm using this admittedly crude method. If the car feels twitchy on a test drive, and seems to need a lot of attention, I recheck and may increase the Toe-in closer to 2.0mm.

      Note that 2.0mm is my max (rather than Bentley's 3.0mm) because I can't quite reach up to measure at the hub centerline, and am thus comparing two measurements that are slightly "below spec" because the horizontal distance between my rear and front measuring points is less (tending toward C-to-c).

      Actually making the Toe adjustment is maybe best covered separately. But IMO, IARS (It Aint.....).
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      Bruce Young
      '93 940-NA (current) — 240s (one V8) — 140s — 122s — since '63.








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        DYI alignments? anyone done these? 200

        That sounds better than my attempt with it. I lent the HF tool to a friend here in town who returned it soon with his own better solution made of two pieces of wall shelving strut - the slotted aluminum stuff from the hardware store used to hang lightweight book shelves on a wall. A couple machine screws through the slots made it possible to adjust it to fit the space between the wheels to compare front and back.

        It was lightweight and easier to get in the same place on both tires. I used that once, doing like you did, setting them nearly equal with just a little bias toward toe-in. It was repeatable from the standpoint of knowing the toe-in was positive, but I lacked confidence in any sort of quantitative measurement, and it did stop the wear from the previous excess.

        Also I recall considering the geometry of the tie rods and the rod's thread pitch to come up with a quantity of toe-in based on fractions of a turn from a baseline of zero. But I believe all I came up with that day was a headache.

        Here's another thread on the subject from a few months ago.
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        Art Benstein near Baltimore








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          DYI alignments? anyone done these? 200

          Also I recall considering the geometry of the tie rods and the rod's thread pitch to come up with a quantity of toe-in based on fractions of a turn from a baseline of zero. But I believe all I came up with that day was a headache.

          Must be true what thay say about great minds getting stuck in similar ruts or whatever. I won't swear to this or ever try it again, but here's what I got a few years back, based on 2.0mm tie-rod thread pitch (toe effect at sidewall mid-point) —

          1 turn = 3.68 (3.7) mm at sidewall
          3/4 = 2.76 (2.8) mm
          1/2 = 1.84 (1.8) mm
          1/4 = .92 (0.9) mm

          I kept these numbers all this time, and have based minor adjustments on them. Doubt they'd stand up to laser scrutiny though.
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          Bruce Young
          '93 940-NA (current) — 240s (one V8) — 140s — 122s — since '63.








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    DYI alignments? anyone done these? 200

    I have one; it only checks toe.
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    Jim McDonald








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      DYI alignments? anyone done these? 200

      I've used one like it (cheaper from Harbor Freight) for years. I modified it a little by adding pointer-tips for more accurate positioning. Haven't been to an alignment shop since '92 I think.

      I think it's called a "trammel gauge".
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      Bruce Young
      '93 940-NA (current) — 240s (one V8) — 140s — 122s — since '63.








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      DYI alignments? anyone done these? 200

      Yes,
      But if I am say ... replacing tie rod ends tires and I haven't banged a curb lately (2 weeks ago... I did ... paid out the wazoo for replacement tire and alignment)than it would be fine, right?
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      Happy Motoring Miguel '86 244 and '87 245







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