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Idle vacuum leak...or is it? 200 1983

Hi all! I've had this minor issue ever since I bought the car, but I'm interested to see if this is a problem. I went to the junkyard and installed a set of turbo gauges in my non-turbo 83 245 DL, installing the turbo oil pressure sensor and running all the electrical connections and vacuum hose necessary to get things working. Afterwards I was happy to see them all light up and show readings, but one kinda puzzles me. When the throttle pedal isn't being pressed the vacuum gauge reads normal outside air pressure as opposed to any sort of vacuum, and when I revv the engine it will drop to a solid vacuum and then rise again depending on how much throttle I give it.

I figure it's quite normal to have the gauge rise towards 1 atm when I gas it, but when the car's idling or when I'm coasting in gear it reads 1 atm too which seems strange. My friend's 80 245 non-turbo reads like I'd expect it to - biggest vacuum when the car idles or is coasting in gear, and less vacuum when the throttle is pressed. Is this a problem, or is it simply a difference in fuel injection systems design between the years? If it's a problem, what's the source of it and what might need to be done about it? Also, what might have been affected by running the car with a problem like this for half a year? Is it just a bit worse fuel economy, or is it something more severe?

I've replaced all the vacuum hoses with new ones just to be sure it wasn't a weird leak due to bad hoses, just in case that was a possibility. Perhaps I missed some???

Thanks for the help!
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    Idle vacuum leak...or is it? 200 1983

    Is the vacuum hose to the guage connected before or after the throttle body? The turbo guages are usually connected right next to the intake after the throttle body, giving high idle vacuum readings. Just make sure the vacuum line you have connected to is in an area of actual vacuum and it should read as normal.
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    Zack Silver 83' 242Ti (221k)








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      Idle vacuum leak...or is it? 200 1983

      That was it. Thanks! Huh...I didn't know the vacuum wasn't the same throughout the system...plus, the T-junction that originally came with the car (I suppose it was there to make it easy to install a vacuum gauge as an accessory upon purchase) was located exactly where I had run the line from before, as if it was meant to be placed there. Apparently not if one wants to get an appropriate economy reading. I suppose it's different for a turbo car.

      Anyone care to elaborate on that? I'm interested in how that sort of system works, like how the vacuum is created and how other things depend on it, and why the vacuum disappears on one side when idling. Thanks!








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        Idle vacuum leak...or is it? 200 1983

        Think of it this way, when the engien is idling the butterfly valve for the throttle is closed, but the engine is still sucking in air beacuse the pistons are going down on the intake stroke. Beacuse this butterfly valve is closed it has the same effect as if you were to put your palm on the end of a shop vac while its on, the vacuum inside the hose goes up beacuse of the restriction.

        When the throttle is opened the vacuum stays strong but the restriction is less as it opens further. On full throttle the vacuum is still there but the restriction is minimal, hence a lower reading on a vacuum guage, and lower fuel economy. It would be the same as sliding your palm back off of the shop vac more and more until it was removed.

        This is why as you push the throttle the engine continues to gain speed, it will suck in as much air\fuel as you will feed it. When the throttle is open all the way but the car is bogged while going up a hill or in too high of a gear, the vacuum reading will be low beacuse the throttle restriction is not there, but the engine is not going fast enough to make the amount of power necessary, another instance of low vacuum on the guage, and low fuel economy.

        Lots of things depend on vacuum, such as timing advance, climate control, fuel injection system... This is why vacuum leaks cause so many problems, plus in my situation with a turbo there is the possibility for boost leaks, which is a whole new situation to deal with.


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        Zack Silver 83' 242Ti (221k)







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