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O2 sensor in EGR bung? 140-160 1974

Does anyone know of an air-fuel gauge/02sensor that will install directly into the EGR bung on the downpipe? Is this even a workable idea?


I have a single wire O2 sensor from a PVR 6, but can't tell if the threads will match. Seems like the bung thread are too small.
Of course, I'm looking for the lowest cost option.
Will it obstruct the exhaust too much?
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MPergiel, Elmhurst, IL '74 145e T-5 'Orange Alert'








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    O2 sensor in EGR bung? 140-160 1974

    No idea, but an exhaust shop stuck a bung on my header for only $15. Of course, the header was off, making it that much easier for them to do.

    Single wire/narrow band O2 sensors aren't of much use hooked up to a gauge, especially on carbed cars. It will spend much of its time pegged one way or another. Wideband sensors and kits are getting cheaper, but they are still relatively pricey. But the difference between narrow and wide band is about like the difference between an oil pressure gauge and a low oil warning light.
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      O2 sensor in EGR bung? 140-160 1974

      Maybe between your brilliance and my Scottish hard-headedness and
      thrrrriftiness we could either cobble up or find a medium spread
      oxygen sensor/gauge combination.....

      (I've never had one in my hand before and I'm not sure I have even seen one.)
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      George Downs Bartlesville, Heart of the USA!








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        O2 sensor in EGR bung? 140-160 1974

        The difference is entirely in the sensor, which is *far* beyond the skills of 99.9% of garage tinkerers. Then the gauges are built based on the characteristics of the sensor.

        Narrow-band sensors have a very tight voltage range, and rapidly traverse the range in a very tight area around stochiometric. It is for all intents and purposes just an indicator of 'too rich' or 'too lean'. Which is really all a fuel injection computer needs to know. Too rich - lean it out a notch and check again in a half second. Too lean, richen it up a notch. it doesn't really care at that instant *how* rich it is, it just responds to the constant 'too rich' and 'too lean' readings. When operating properly the computer is bouncing around from rich to lean and adjusting the fuel up and down.

        The wide band sensor, on the other hand, has a nice fairly even voltage signal from 0V to 5V, nicely coordinated with a mixture reading or roughly 10:1 (pegged rich) and 23~:1 (pegged lean), with the central 2.5V mark on stochiometric. An FI computer programmed for the on-off nature (over a different voltage range too, but I can't recall it) of a narrow band would obviously be confused by this smooth gradient - the computer has to be rreprogrammed. At which point it can be a little more responsive to off-mixtures - making larger adjustments the farther off the desired mixture you are. And obviously, this works much better when hooked to a gauge. You could get just a simple voltage gauge and hook it up. I think they are a little more complicated because they have reference voltages to make them more accurate and heater circuits. I'm not sure why they are so expensive even when DIY. All they really do is convert the 0 - 5V scale using a tableinto 10 - 24:1 readings.

        The first WB sensors were rare odd Honda sensors off a somewhat obscure low production (and I think Cali only) 'lean burn' model - demand greatly outstripped supply once a few dozen sales a year to Cali were replaced by hundreds worldwide as people started using them for gauges. But newer sensors have hit the market, used on newer, more common cars and I think the price spike on sensors is over, as long as you have a newer kit. I'm stuck with an older Techedge unit that uses the rare Honda sensor.
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    O2 sensor in EGR bung? 140-160 1974

    For the same reason, I tried on the manifold for a '79 240 (non lambda). It looks so close but it won't fit. All the sensors have the same thread -M18 something, just like the old big spark plugs. I was tempted to order a couple sensor bungs (try ebay) to get one into the downpipe, but that's off the back burner and behind the stove after a guess-by-hearing tweak of the kjet airflow sensor got it by emissions.
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    Art Benstein near Baltimore







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