well,i am done;let's see replaced both fuel pumps,fuel filter,reference sender,fuel pump relay,both computers,checked big red wire,25 amp fuse connections,ground connections,today i took off the catalytic convertor and cleaned a lot of crud and broken pieces out of it .....the car still dies...now today i was under the car when it died and the fuel pump was still running for a few seconds after it died...but regardless it's off to the mechanic on monday...ouch!...kris...[still open to a miracle]