so i managed to get the starter replaced last weekend ,, (only a little paint blistered off the the use of expletives) i started it several times, drove it started it a couple more times,, :) ,, so i go out in the rain this morning and the thing cranks ,,and cranks ,, and cranks some more,, but nuttin ,, no start.. a new challenge ,,soon as i get the battery up again , ill look for the obvious like if i disruppted any thing while doing the starter , ill run thru the fuses again ,, disconnect the MASS air thingy and see if it starts ,, then if that dont work ill pull a plug wire and see if i can zap myself ..maybe try some either,, for me and the car ... any other helpfull hits welcome .. probably wont be able to do much until the rain passes anyway .. sure hat ridin this scooter in the rain though