yeah, that sounds about right, im going to check the solenoid next, i ran out of time for that today, same with the filter. As far as transmissions go they're my weak spot, plus this is the first fuel injected car i've ever owned, and i just picked it up about a month ago, so its all pretty much new ground for me. but thanks for your help, i'll post tomorrow how the filter/solenoid bit turns out. if it is something internal im just going to have a shop do it, i dont have the tools to drop the tranny. thanks again!