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Hello all,
I posted a question about the alternator and battery of my volvo 850. I took the battery back to walmart and they told me it was dead and gave me a new one. This is the 4th exchange that I had in the last 2 years, each battery lasted for only 6 to 8 months. The one I just exchanged lasted only for 2 months. I therefore suspected the alternator is dying and not charging. I took the car to Kragens and they tested the alternator and said it is fine. I am puzzled now so I suspect there is something short or lights on when the car is not running. I measure the current with key off and found there is about 0.14 to 0.15 A of current draining. Then I did a fuse check. The 0.14 A current, 0.08 A is contributed by the "central lock", and 0.06 A is contributed by the glove box/accessory/trunk light/alarm system fuse.
I understand the car will drain some current even with the ignition off, so, does 0.14 A sound reasonable? Is there anything else that I can check?
BTW, I did check the glove box light and am sure it is off when the door is closed.
thanks,
Cheng
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posted by
someone claiming to be Dave H
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Sat Jul 28 09:46 CST 2007 [ RELATED]
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I have a 1997 850 that also has a mysterious battery drain. Was lasting about a week before battery dead. After about 6 months and 2 battery's I finally got serious about it today and checked the drain with an ammeter between the positive battery cable and positive terminal. It was about 170 Ma. I started pulling suspect fuses and found fuse #15 (OBD, courtesy lights, door open warning light, remote central locking system)to be the majority of the parasite load,(about 150Ma). During my investigation of the interior lights, I noticed that the black pin of the glove box switch was missing. Turns out the switch itself fell out of it's bracket under the glovebox liner and was somewhere inside the dash, always on. I had to take the glovebox liner out to get to the switch. Rather than find a new mount for the switch, I merely removed the bulb from the socket. After removing the bulb, my load on fuse #15 was gone. Hope this helps someone.
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Dave,
thanks for the reply. The load on my fuse#15 is about 100mA.. I will remove the bulb and see what happen..
Cheng
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I checked the standby current draw on my 1998 V70T5 with a Fluke DVM. I had readings which bounced from 90-130ma. Since the Fluke is a digital meter I really couldn't see what was happening - a good reason to also own an analog meter!
I have an aftermarket (read imported) alarm/starter system and I've never figured out how it exactly works exactly. I alway use a key. Wish I could get rid of it (and all the lousy wiring) and return to the original OEM.
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Cheng,
You may also want to check the trunk internal light. It has a manual switch that has a position for "Lit" even when the trunk is closed. In that position, the light will also be on without keys in the contact. Pull back seat armrest down to check if the light is on.
However, it seems you are using a weak type of battery, that coupled with your driving habits, is simply not holding up to the job.
Good luck,
Icelandic
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Thanks for the suggestion, I will check and make sure it is off. My trick is to put in a digital camera with video recording running...
Cheng
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posted by
someone claiming to be ksg
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Mon Jul 23 11:21 CST 2007 [ RELATED]
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47 refers to the physical size of the battery case, not the amperage. Your battery should have more than 500 cold cranking amps (CCA), a 120 hour reserve capacity and a 70 amp-hour or more total capacity (Volvo specs for temperate 4-season use). Many stores sell lesser batteries that won't hold up (even tho the physical size is the same). Maybe the ones you are buying are just too small for the car?
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The cold cranking power is 590 A.. Maybe Walmart's battery is too weak for my car. That will explain it..
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A "standard" small car battery (whatever that means) has about 45 amp-hour capacity. That is you can draw 45 amperes for one hour, 22.5 amps for two hours, or 0.16 amps for 281 hours or about 11 days. To me this sounds unreasonable. I believe a Volvo battery is much bigger and has perhaps nearly twice this capacity. Are you sure it's 160ma?
I would suggest looking at the charging voltage and being sure that all your cables are absolutely clean - all connections should be polished to a bright metallic shine. Be sure all connections are tight. Don't forget the engine/alternator grounding cables as well.
Do you park you vehicle for long periods of time or do you start/drive it every day?
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DMAN,
Thanks for the input. The Walmart battery is about 47 amp only. And I am sure the current is about 0.14 to 0.15 Amp.
I know the connection are not metallic shining, I will polish it up when I get home.
I drove my car to work Mon-Fri, and the drive is pretty short, about 11 miles one way. I occasionally do some 1-2 mile driving as well.
thanks for the input, I really appreciate it.
Cheng
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Another suggestion about your short trips: Are you using your daytime running/head lights? I turned mine off on my 98 V70t5. Two 11 mile trips everyday may not be enough to keep the battery fully charged - and not to mention that your engine is probably not getting up to temperature for a long enough period to drive off water vapor, but that's another issue.
Did you measure the charging voltage? A Pb acid battery has a nominal 2.2 volts per cell or 13.2 volts total for a "12 volt" battery. Your charging voltage should obviously be more than 13.2v. More than 15 volts might be way too much. I'm gonna go measure my 98 v70T5 "standby current" right now...
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No, I don't use daytime running light, and in the past few months I don't even listen to radio or use air-conditioner..So, you don't think a 11-mile drive at 60 mph is enough to make up the charge used for start-up?
The measure voltage at idle is 13.9 V. I will get an extra foot on the gas tomorrow to measure the voltage at 1500 rpm. Please let me know the standby current you got. Thanks!
Cheng
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posted by
someone claiming to be gwen
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Mon Jul 23 08:47 CST 2007 [ RELATED]
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Cheng:
You have obviously done your homework on the drainage problem.......just wondering what kind of batteries Walmart has. I have good luck with the AutoZone Duralast 800 amp batteries and always use the felt insulators on the terminals. There are lots of old postings on voltage drainage to sort through. Are all the wires tight on the alternator? Has the voltage regulator ever been replaced?
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Mark,
Thanks for the reply. The Walmart battery is "47-3", which probably means that it has 47 amp in it. I think this is the cheaper one.
The alternator and voltage regulator are still original (126k miles), I have not get to the point that I need to touch them, but it is a good idea to check the wiring. Thank you very much for the input..
Cheng
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posted by
someone claiming to be gwen
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Mon Jul 23 12:34 CST 2007 [ RELATED]
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Cheng:
If you have never replaced the voltage regulator, I advise you do whether or not it's the problem. You see, the regulator has these two little arms with springs on them (brushes i guess) that push against something spinning in the alternator. The first one I replaced had one worn and the other not. Anyway, at idle you can test it's output fine, but who knows what is happening at 80 miles per hour on the highway. Your problem is getting worse quicker...I'm betting the regulator or a loose wire. Regulator is 340.00 replaced at the dealer. They could run some tests for you two. Part alone is 242.00 at speedycarparts.com.
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Gwen,
Thanks for the suggestion. I thought the regulator is within the alternator? No?
Cheng
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posted by
someone claiming to be gwen
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Sat Jul 28 10:09 CST 2007 [ RELATED]
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Cheng:
If you look at the alternator you will see the black plastic cap held on with 3 screws. If you can get the cap off, you can unscrew the regulator and check out the brushes. I could not get the cap off, but the guy at Midas who had hands twice the size of mine got it right off and showed me the screwed up brushes. I was otta there in 40 minutes and only paid him about 35.00. They normaly wont install other peoples parts, but it was a very slow day for them.
Good luck.
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Cheng:
Another simple test you can do is to buy a battery voltage tester that plugs into your cig lighter from Walmart (I think it is about $10). That way you can monitor the voltage at idle and also at 80 mph (it has a led readout on it).
Actually, I had a similar problem a few years back and mine was breaking down after a certain RPM but it only showed up when I drove at night and at a certain speed. Wish you all the luck.
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TJ,
Thanks for the idea, I will give it a try and see what I got.
Cheng
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