posted by
someone claiming to be Robo Lobo
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Wed Nov 28 14:42 CST 2001 [ RELATED]
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Like a few other people on the board I use the better carbon/paper pollen filter in my brick, and just like Dave (Spinning Wheel) wrote recently, the instructions say that the ECC should be re-programmed when said filter is installed. However, my local very reputable indy mechanic did not know anything about this or what exactly is to supposed to be done. Does anyone here know the exact details? He and I were also wondering if said reprogramming applies to the carbon/paper filter only, or if it applies to both style filters and is applicable when the pollen filter kit is first installed. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
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posted by
someone claiming to be Richard Diedrich
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Thu Nov 29 16:26 CST 2001 [ RELATED]
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Boy I must be missing something here. Are we talking about the cabin filter? And if we are, what could the ECU need to know about a change in the airflow for heating and cooling?
I realize we drive some pretty sophisticated machinery. But.
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posted by
someone claiming to be Victor
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Wed Nov 28 16:15 CST 2001 [ RELATED]
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I've never heard of that and I work at a Volvo dealer. No literature exists on that from Volvo. We replace those filters daily yet never re-program anything (no need) and yet no customer ever complains either. I've seen some practically clogged (lack of owners desire to maintain) yet they never even know it as nothing is really effected on the 850 either way.
I'd ask "wheel spinning" Dave for specifics.
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posted by
someone claiming to be Steve F.
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Thu Nov 29 02:32 CST 2001 [ RELATED]
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Victor, The so called better cabin filter(volvo P/N 09488527) has a activated charcol and paper element....not just the paper element as seen on the stock unit. In the box with the new charcoal type filter is a instruction booklet(Volvo lit), and it says that with use of the duel element filter Volvo recomends models with ECC have a re-pro of the system done.
I would assume this reprograming would be done with the VADIS cart, and that is the reason the poster above, who uses a indi mechanic has no idea what to do.
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posted by
someone claiming to be Victor
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Thu Nov 29 13:53 CST 2001 [ RELATED]
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it's pure bull$#@*. For one, Vadis doesn't communicate with a '96 850 at all, the VST scan tool does but it's just not needed for that. No 850 ever came from Volvo with a cabin filter on US cars as it was only an add-on accessory usually added in recent years when the evaporator was replaced. Programming wasn't required, no literature from Volvo exists that I've seen to date and I can't imagine why anyone would think it's necessary? Nothing will change by adding ANY type cabin filter (carbon or not) or removing it altogther. Fresh air will flow through it either way as there's no sensor that's measuring incoming air flow, NONE!.
Vadis does hook up to your newer car but there's no need to bother with the extra expense and yes, you'll pay if you ask any dealer to do this as a request due to misinformation seen here. No independant has a Vadis cart to my knowledge, almost impossible and seriously expensive if it was possible. They'd have to tied into Volvos dealer only network, not open to public domain.
Tell ya what.....IF I'm wrong with any of this regarding the older 850s and simply havent seen the written instructions on this from Volvo, could you give me a tech-net note or SB # so I can read this for myself? If it exists from Volvo, that's where it'd be.
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posted by
someone claiming to be Steve F.
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Fri Nov 30 03:05 CST 2001 [ RELATED]
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Look I dont know if the VADIS cart is used or the VST(I dont think so), but I have the instruction booklet in my hand...the one THAT COMES IN THE BOX WITH THE CHARCOAL FILTER(volvo box, volvo PN, Volvo booklet), and as I said it says "Volvo recomends that models with ECC should have a reprogram done for use with this filter".
Now I do not know what this is all about in relatonship to older models...or if the older models have ECC. I do know my car a MY2000 S70/GLT came with the paper element cabin filter(it does work BTW), and from reading posts on this board I found out about a "better" two stage (paper/active charcoal) filter, and I ordered one from a online Volvo parts site(Borton Volvo or Volvo parts.com), and I have it in my hand( and it is not the same as the paper only filter). The paper only unit is good for particals down to .01mm, but the active charcoal/paper unit also has this same rating, but it also removes gasses/fumes from air passing through it.
If you like give me a fax number where you could be reached, and I will fax you a copy of the instruction booklet, and the invoice with the Volvo PN nd price of the two stage cabin filter. Or if you work at a Volvo dealer....go to the parts dept, with the Volvo PN I gave you..(chances are they wll have to order this
part...as not too many people know about it), and look inside the box for your self..
This is all the info I have right now, and
THIS IS NO BULLSHIT!
If you still want proof of Volvo’s instructions re. this filter(and the existance of the filter itself)....e-mail me with a fax number, and you will have it.
steven491@webtv.net
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posted by
someone claiming to be Victor
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Fri Nov 30 05:55 CST 2001 [ RELATED]
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Apparently then whoever added that tidbit to your filter isn't on the same page as the rest of Volvos literature because I even double checked this in VEN and Vadis.
There's no good reason why you or anyone should do what THOSE instructions then say.
In Vadis, with your car ('00 S/V 70s) the ONLY programing for ECC that has anything to do with the pollin filter is that one can either remove or add ANY pollin filter to its programing and all that that does is increase or decrease blower motor speed depending, nothing more. For example, your car comes with that filter (no not carbon but....) so if you wanted to remove it completely and be without one, the blower motor will blow slightly faster than normal and thus be a tad noisier. Once the 'remove' programing is done to that car (with filter removed permanently from car), the blower motor will blow at a slower and more normal speed.
Our dealer has never installed one of those filters, don't stock them and no one's ever asked so you're right in that I've not seen THOSE instructions that you have.
I'm not here to argue with people but my whole point really is that IMHO, I wouldn't waste my time going to a dealer and paying them for an un-necessary service.
Add that filter to your car and see if you notice anything different. I highly doubt that you will.
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posted by
someone claiming to be Steve F.
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Fri Nov 30 10:54 CST 2001 [ RELATED]
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Vctor, I did as you said and put the two stage filter in, and it does seem to me that it blocks a bit(or it could be in my mind)more air, but the fan speed seems unchanged. I also called the SM at my servicing dealer(not where I bought the car). He said just to put it in, and there is no need for a re-pro of the ECC(he did know of this type of filter).
I did not plan on going to the dealer for this re-pro for two reasons. First, Volvo only recomends the re-pro...they do not say ONLY use this filter after the ECC is reprogramed, so I could have put it off IF it was even needed. Second, I think(FWIW)what is ment in the instruction booklet is for models with ECC that DID NOT come stock with the cabin(carbon or plain old stle)filter(or bracket)DO need the reprogram due to the need for higher fan motor speed ect.
Anyhow the filter(both models) is in, and it does save my ass when I am stuck inside the Lincoln Tunnel at rush hour(and in summer the temps go into triple digits), and I always have the good luck to be right behind a 40 year old bus.
I dont like to run the ECC in the "rec" mode for too long, but if I have to I have to. For the rest of the time the activated charcoal cabin filter seems to do a much better job than the paper only model.
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posted by
someone claiming to be Victor
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Fri Nov 30 18:13 CST 2001 [ RELATED]
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I'm glad that I think we've resolved this. I've given further thought to why the included instructions mention reprograming and I believe it's possibly due to the fact that Volvo parts are sold to many different markets and perhaps in some markets the newer cars ('98 on up S/V/C 70s, etc) don't normally come with any pollin filter (wouldn't be an issue in the US however). If those cars didn't come with any pollin filter, then yes, it should be added as per Vadis as I mentioned earlier as that would increase blower motor speed on that car (one originally w/o any filter from Volvo in that market).
As for earlier cars like the 850, non came with that filter and there's no option available by using the VST to add one and yes, I did check. The 850 requires no such programing in the US market, just put the filter in and drive :)
Hopefully we've now solved this "mystery"
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posted by
someone claiming to be KC
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Thu Nov 29 09:01 CST 2001 [ RELATED]
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Steve,
When you switched to this part, did your trusty dealer hook up your S70 to the Vadis?
Thanks!
KC
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posted by
someone claiming to be Steve F.
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Thu Nov 29 11:46 CST 2001 [ RELATED]
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KC, No not yet.....I ordered the two stage filter about two weeks ago from www.volvoparts.com, and have not put it in yet. When I go in for my next LOF(I think it will be around Feb. 10), I will ask them about it.
I guess I could just call and see if they could do the re-program early one morning next week.....or at least find out what needs to be done...if anything, but yea...I guess it would be a VADIS cart job???
I wonder if the ECC still needs the reprogram if you only use the system on the "manual" setting, and not "auto"????
Anyhow....I will call the SM at my dealer in the morning and find out....then I will post all the info.
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