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Transmission problem 850 95

Help! Just bought a 1995 850 T-5 Wagon with 72K-very well maintained by dealer, orig owner, etc. Put about a 1000 miles on it with no problems at all. Today, I drove into work parking spot and put gear selector in reverse to back up a bit. Trans clunked into gear, but engine just reved-no backward motion. I put it back into park, then into drive, then back into reverese. Clunk as if it were going, but still no backward motion. No lights on dash, no flashing lights on Econ/Sport switch. Then I tried it a few more times and finally it goes into reverse and backs up. Weird. I go out to the car 10 minutes later and can't duplicate the problem.

I called a couple of Volvo repair places and they said it sounds like I need a new tranny. Yikes! I'm no stranger to Volvo's. Had a 940 Turbo for 10 years with not a single problem but this is my first 850 T-5 and I was looking forward to the ECU upgrades etc. I do most of my own work and can handle pretty much anything except electronic diagnosis stuff since I don't have the tools.

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.








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    Re: Transmission problem 850 95

    Had the same think happen to me last winter. THis problem would go away when the trans was warmed up a bit. I flushed it out with Dextron III (not synthetic) and it solved the problem. I used about 13 quarts in the flush (iflushed until I was SURE it came back red). Figuring about $1.50/quart, it cost me $19.50. Compare that to $149.50 to $188.50 for Amsoil and it's a pretty easy choice for me.








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    Sorry about the long post 850 95

    The tranny in the FWD 850 is known to clunk a bit when shifting into R. My tranny did that when I first got it a couple years ago. The reason I didn't panic was because every 850 I've ever driven clunked to some degree (some worse than others, I've driven 4 other 850's).

    There is no official specified drain interval from Volvo. Volvo suggests that a mechanic inspect the ATF at every service, fill if necessary, and flush and fill if necessary. I don't really like this because unless a sample of ATF is analyzed (BTW, you can get ATF analyzed for about $20 Canadian), there really isn't a way to make sure the ATF is still good. If the ATF is dark brown and smells burnt, it's pretty much ready for recycling/disposal. But the Haynes Manual, as well as every Volvo dealership I've ever asked, recommends that the ATF should be changed every 60,000 miles or 6 years, whichever comes first.

    About 3 years ago, I did a flush and fill of ATF in my tranny with 12 quarts of AMSOIL 100% Synthetic ATF, back before I became a licensed distributor. Let me just say, it was big bucks, but money well spent. Since then, no more clunking. Other positive things I've noticed are slightly better performance (only noticeable by seat of the pants and on a Dynojet Dynanometer) and slightly better fuel mileage. Maybe not as good as 2 mpg, but I did notice an increase. And after 3 years, the ATF is still bright red, the way it should be in my opinion. I had the 4 year old Dexron III from the factory with about 55,000 miles analyzed and it obviously failed. I had my 3 year old 40,000 mile AMSOIL ATF analyzed a couple weeks ago, and it was still well within specs. And because I have increased hp to about 220 at the wheels, as well as about 220+ft.lbs of torque recently, as well as doing up a custom chip for the car before the end of the season, hopefully hitting 290hp and 290ft.lbs of torque at the engine or about 255-260 at the wheels, I'm planning on changing the ATF more often now, say every 3-4 years. I may be considered a stickler when it comes to ATF to some on this board, but hey, I'd rather spend an extra $150 Canadian every 3-4 years, than have to replace a seemingly known underdesigned tranny.

    So the first thing I recommend is getting your tranny flushed, preferably with a synthetic ATF such as AMSOIL's, or Mobil if you can't find AMSOIL easily enough. It may not be all that easy to find someone locally that distributes AMSOIL, but I'm sure you'll find people like me on the net, or even order straight from AMSOIL at their site (www.amsoil.com). An average price for a quart of AMSOIL Synthetic ATF is $14.50 Canadian. Depending on order size, one can get this price down to as low as $11.50 per quart.

    Another thing I've learned through experience is shifting the tranny in a way to somewhat prevent the clunking. Before I flushed and filled my ATF, I kinda worked out a way to shift the tranny so that it wouldn't clunk as easily. It's really hard to explain, and honestly, it's more feel than anything. I tried posting it once, and after reading my post, it didn't strike me as something someone would be able to get just be reading.

    If you really want to save the bucks, spend the $20 Canadian to have the ATF analyzed. If it doesn't pass, get it done. In either case, I'm willing to bet the ATF in your car is the same ATF the car had when it left the factory. And if that's the case, I don't see any reason not to flush and fill your ATF.








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      Re: Transmission problem 850 95

      Thanks for the reply. So if I understand you correctly, you think that if I were to change the ATF to Synth that I might not have the intermittent problem of it not engaging reverse? Could the original fluid after 72K miles be causing this?








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        Whoops! 850 95

        Sorry about that, I was going to get to that when I accidentaly posted after being distracted by a phone call.

        As for the missing of the R, try having the automatic transaxle selector cable checked. This is supposed to be checked and adjusted if necessary every 10K miles or every 12 months.

        Because it sounds like this is an intermittent problem, it could also be related to the ATF. Which is why I gave the whole shpiel on ATF.

        But do go and have the automatic transaxle selector cable looked at by a Volvo tech.








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          Re: Whoops! 850 95

          Thanks. I will have it checked.








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            Before you spend 850 97

            I'm in Canada (Toronto) with all the cold snowing winter. I say this because my wife had an incident that similar to your problem.

            In a cold winter afternoon after a whole day's work, she started up the car and try to backout of the parking, like you it clunk but no motion, she tried a few times; back to P and then R. Call me and the dealer with no help. Call our mechanic friend who is a car racer. He said it is usual (in cold weather) that the oil pressure in the tranny that is not balanced. He preciselly told my wife to put into 'N', wait for a few mins., let the oil pressure build up and balance itself, so as to push and pull the gears. It works and has no permanent damage to the Volvo so far.

            If you have the problem again try this method before you spend you money.

            Good luck.

            Peter Chiu








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              Re: Before you spend 850 97

              Thanks so much for the story. It definitely eases my mind. I'm gonna flush the transmission with Synthetic Mobil 1 this weekend. I can't find AMSOIL around here. I think the trans still has the original fluid.








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                Re: Before you spend 850 97

                You are welcome. We are helping each other. After that incident,the mechanic checked my car and said I don't need to flush the tranny. But it will be good for you. Till now I just have 70K km on my '97 wagon.

                A long long time ago in this board, a member try to gather enough interest to buy the AMS oil in buck (discount ?) I still have his e-mail, I think he is in Totonto; Sin X. If you are interesed, e-mail me.

                Peter Chiu








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                  Re: Before you spend 850 97

                  You actually just missed a large bulk order I did about 2 weeks ago.

                  I sold 5 cases (12 quarts per case) of 5w-30, 5 cases of ATF (12 quarts per case), 1 case (12 quarts per case) of gear lube for manual trannies, can't remember how many bottle of fuel injector cleaner, and a couple engine oil filters.







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