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Are they really that un-reliable? S80

If you buy a recent used Camry make sure you investigate "sludge"
issues with the engines. (Just type in "toyota camry sludge" at
google.com). Example: http://forums.vmag.com/mvsienna1199/messages/127.html
(Research any car long enough and you will wonder how any of them
actully get out of the garage.)

How about an S70? Lots of room (bit bigger then a Camry). Easy to
see out of. Room for 5. The GLT models (with the light pressure
turbo) have plenty of power. Big trunk. Fairly reliable. Easy
do it yourself maintenance (see http://volvospeed.com/bay13.htm).

And if you get an S70 with a rear spoiler it does not look as funny
as the rear spoiler on a Camry :)






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