Thanks. I do the PNP yards regularly except for critical components such as brakes. Suburban/Expedition is out of our price range for anything recent. We've had a Caravan before and being familiar with their maintenance I'd go with one again. Lots of Caravans in the PNP, many more than the other vans.

Rented a 2012 Durango Crew for a 1200 mile trip to fetch the mother-in-law and it was great, but not in our budget.

I've had terrible experiences with new and near new Ford trucks and cars and dealer service in the last 18 years, so they're out.

Putting the 945T on stands in the garage while I went through it for suspension, head gasket (soon, losing a little coolant, no leaks), new interior and window weather stripping would make it a keeper, but who has that luxury of time. The darn thing is indestructible and spotless underneath. No leaks, no rust.

The seats are better in the 855T but in either car I'm beginning to have hip pain on day-long drives. Didn't experience that in the larger Durango which like the Caravan, has chair-height seats.

Don't want to burn up bandwidth here, thanks for the replys.

Erwin