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Water only as coolant and other questions - 1991 923T 900 1991

Hello,

I have acquired a tired, mistreated 1991 944T--though at the moment, it's actually a 923T, as I have 0 compression in 2 cylinders and one rear door that isn't working. Poor thing has lived a hard life, and I want to help it go out of this world in style.

My intent is to run it in a not-so-serious race (see link below) or two before I remove the usable parts for recycling and send the rest to the big Volvo lot in the sky. Headgasket and other repairs start this weekend.

Couple questions for this august group:

Anyone have any experience running a B230FT in a racing situation where water was the only permissible coolant?

Any thoughts on how to make this fine but abused vehicle run any cooler given the water-only restriction?

This vehicle has the tow package, with the large tranny cooler in front of the intercooler and an auxilliary fan in front of it. Would you remove that tranny cooler to improve airflow over the engine and route the tranny fluid through the normal radiator cooler? Or leave it in place?

I'm open to other suggestions as well. Yes, I know I'm crazy, but there's a method to this madness, the details of which will be shared as soon as the website for this project is up and running.

Thanks,
Matt

Link to the not-so-serious race: www.24hoursoflemons.com (Yes, you read about it in Car and Driver...)








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    Water only as coolant and other questions - 1991 923T 900 1991

    Cooling system - you're getting some good advice and some off-target. Distilled water will boil at the same temperature as tap water. Use SOFTENED water - it will not change the boiling point, but has much lower concentration of scaling minerals than tap water. It also has buffering capacity which will prevent corrosion and pitting much better than distilled water.

    Distilled water is the preferred stuff when you can mix it with anti-freeze. A/F has its own mixture of chemicals to prevent corrosion, and makers (eg: Prestone) recommend distilled/demineralized water. But the rules say you can't use A/F.

    With no buffering capability, or added chemistry, distilled water has no resistance to acid formation as it goes round and round in the system, contacting the various metals in there. It will eventually form an electrolyte and start eating your engine - aluminum first. Probably not important for a few hrs of racing and then disposing of the engine, so it's your choice.

    Yes - run as high a pressure as you can without blowing hoses or cores, this will raise the boiling point. Get the rad "boiled" out and pressure tested. The max cap Volvo made for your reservoir tank is Green and rated 150kPa (22psi). Check that it releases pressure at this rating, then find a way of sealing the system and testing at 5psi above this. If it holds, you should be OK. At 150kPa, water will boil at about 230F.

    Keep the engine-driven fan - no electric fan that you can purchase at a reasonable price and get fitted in there will move as much air. And it will put a big load on the alternator, adding another potential failure item. Just make sure the belts are fresh, adjusted right, and there's no noise from the water pump bearings. Also make sure the thermostatic clutch is working. As the engine gets hot, the fan should start to 'roar' and move a lot more air - if so, it's OK. Put the electric fan money into safety-related things like performance brake pads.

    If the heater core passes the pressure test, keep it. The heater valve is a well known weak point. Replace it with a cheap hardware store ball valve operated by a cable. Better yet have no valve, which will run the heater full hot and exhaust its output outside the car. Instant additional radiator. (Jorrell mentioned this great idea on your 240 board post).

    Take all advice from this board (including this) with a grain of salt!

    Great project and a wonderful memorial...best of luck and let us all know how it goes!
    --
    Bob (son's 81-244GL B21F/M46, dtr's 83-244DL B23F/M46, my 94-944 B230FD and 89 745 (LT-1 V8); hobbycar 77 MGB, and a few old motorcycles)








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    Water only as coolant and other questions - 1991 923T 900 1991

    About a $500 limit plus the tires, rollbars, 4 pt belt, helmet, fire suit, a no questioned asked NASCAR racing license and top speeds of 65MPH. Sounds like more fun than a vacation at Disney Land to me.

    No personal racing experience myself other than watching. You have a 1991 940SE, a rebadged 760 in prior years. IRS, and standard AW70 tranny. I think the tranny cooler was standard in the '91SE. Fix the head gasket. Your option on the tranny cooler. If it gets in the way of a larger radiator, if you are thinking about it, remove it or relocate it.

    Water only adds an unknown element to the whole race element. With hard driving, you will have to run the engine cooler or at higher pressure or both to prevent boilover. Boilover is how a lot would die at the stock car races I use to see. Remove the pump mounted fan and add an electric fan running on high only. Use new plugs. Get rid of the any restriction in the exhaust system, cat and both mufflers. I’m still concerned about overheating and boiling. Cooling system conponents and condition will be critical. Bypass the heater core using new hoses and make sure the other hoses are good. The higher the pressure in the cooling system, the less chance of boiling. Run it at a minimum of 20PSI.

    Suspension, with the budget limit you can’t touch the nivomats in the back for much under $400. Concentrate on the front suspension, shocks first and sway bars second.

    Good luck.
    --
    A horse walks into a bar and the bartender says, why the long face?








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      Water only as coolant and other questions - 1991 923T 900 1991

      Use Distilled water only. Does not boil.
      Flush out entire cooling system first.
      Then add distilled water. Drive it and flush again.
      Refill with distilled water again. Good to go.








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        Water only as coolant and other questions - 1991 923T 900 1991

        Sorry, there is nothing different about the boiling temperature or characteristics of distilled water 100C or 212F at 1 atmosphere. I have well water with plenty of minerals. I use distilled water in my cooling systems to blend with antifreeze as a matter of good practice.
        I also use it in my steam iron to keep it from clogging up. If there is steam, there is boiling...

        You may want to keep the heater core. I use it as an emergency dump-off if my Sunbeam Tiger starts to overheat in traffic. I learned the hard way to have a towel or something to act as a heat shield for my lower leg because it gets HOT enough for 2nd degree burns. Make sure your belly pan is installed to force as much air through the radiator as possible. I have not looked at the Volvo with maximum cooling in mind, but one thing we do with Tigers is seal up any openings that could allow cooling air to pass through the front sheetmetal without being forced through the radiator. A foam seal around the radiator, etc. The electric fan is a good idea. I actually kept my stock fan on the Tiger and added a pusher fan that I can flip on for a parade or getting stuck in beach traffic. Slow speed is a bigger problem for cooling because of the limited amount of air passing through.
        Eliminating restriction on the exhaust is a great idea. By far the largest percentage of heat rejected from a car comes from the exhaust and not the radiator.
        Bob







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